[RELEASE] Security System: Intruder Alert with Actions

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I am stating to loose my mind… I am trying to get an Iris Key Pad v 2 to work with STHM (new App).

I am using roboys DEVICE HANDLER (Enhanced Keypad Lock Device Handler) for they Key Pads and intruder Alert and LUM. I have carefully followed the instructions. At first it kinda worked for a few hours and has stopped.

I was never able to get the partial key to work.

Now in the ap the key pads just keep saying connecting. I have updated the handler deleted and readded the devices. With no luck.

ANY advice. I really had hoped SmartThings would have a native key pad.

I am trying actiontiles but family really wants a key pad.
I think it is insane that a work around using virtual switches to have Alexa disarm is easy to set up (and crazy unsafe) but a keypad in near impossible. OK done venting :slight_smile:

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It sounds like your keypad may having trouble communicating with the hub or possibly the platform is timing out.

If it’s the former you’ll notice that the keypad events are missing from the recently tab in the Classic app or the Events history in the new app. Adding a zigbee repeater close to your keypad may be the solution here (assuming the batteries are good). Once you start seeing the events show up then you can rule out keypad issues.

If it’s the latter it’ll fix itself once the platform resumes normal operation, it may help to delete the automations,recreate them and verify that it’s setup correctly. I can see the partial key working here so I’m guessing it’s a missed step or a platform timeout.

EDIT: Just saw your other post about your automation issues.

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How do I use the STHM Dashboard to arm/disarm the Intruder Alert app? I have installed the app without any sensors or responses but as a result it does not show any dashboard buttons to press and switch the STHM state.

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It’s a bug in STHM. You’ll need to add one virtual or unused sensor to STHM so it’ll show you the dashboard.

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Hi @RBoy

I have a pretty cool setup for my home alarm through smartthings, but to be perfectly honest I did find it quite problematic to get set up.

One of the main components is @arnb’s SHM Delay, which works wonderfully - allows the system to be put into Armed mode with an audible beeper whilst the system gives enough time for the user to exit/enter without firing the alarm (stupid miss from the original Samsung SHM).

Over time I’ve got this set up pretty much the way I want it. The issue is that to have done that, I have a combination of smartlighting rules, routines and even a bit of webcore all hacked together to keep things right.

I did try to simplify things down by moving as much as possible to webcore (for neatness) , but found that the cloud based aspects meant that it was too damn laggy. For example, I have a cheap Rfid keypad with simple NO & NC connections to a fibaro UBS. Pressing a button on the keypad opens a contact on the Fib, and a smartlighting rule sets the system to armed. Pressing on a Rfid tag closes a contact, and sets the system to disarmed.

Various smartlighting rules and routines are in use to ensure that certain virtual and physical switches are flicked to the correct position when the mode changes, and I’ve found this all pretty much worked beautifully. But it was a lot of hassle and time/effort to set up to ensure that everything stays ‘synced’.

One problem was due to cloud delays which meant that say, you armed the alarm, and then realised you weren’t actually ready to leave, so you disarmed it. But maybe by that point a routine was part way through firing or whatever, and basically, the sync would get lost (eg. ShM would show as disarmed, but my motion lights were still disabled… A routine just wasn’t completing in full).

Attempting to swap entirely to webcore just exasperated these delays. Unusable.

The current set up seems to be pretty much faultless relying heavily on (local) virtual/physical switches and (minimal) routines with more complex smartlighting rules which seems to be the most robust way of dealing with things. For whatever reason. Webcore pistons just don’t cut it, or take far too long to react due to cloud. Might only be 5-10 seconds, but that’s a lifetime when you’re just trying to exit or enter and you don’t want to stand there wondering if your button press has actually registered, so to speak.

I’m a little concerned about the complexity and the reproducibility of what I’ve made. If the hub happened to die, I’d really struggle to set this up from scratch without some serious note taking prior. Not ideal for any system. Also, the new app won’t have routines and I’d like to know that whatever I set up now, will keep working.

Would you recommend this app to replace my setup? Cheers.!

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I completely turned off the built in SHM and went with RBoy’s app for two reasons:

  1. I can control arming and disarming with a virtual switch
  2. I can install multiple instances of RBOY’s app to seperate “zones”. For example I have a barn and one install of RBoy’s app for the barn with a virtual switch for the barn that when the switch is on the alarm is armed and when the switch is off the alarm is off. I have the same thing for the house (another install and another switch) and for then another install for the in-law suite.

Having three separate instances of the alarm app each with its own virtual switch is SO MUCH better than trying to build dozens of modes to cover every potential scenario of someone home / away in each area. All I have to do is build the rules of what turns on or off the virtual switch. I do that with a combination of presence awareness using phones, keypads and even a few smart buttons.

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Thanks for the reply =)

(a) Could the alarm/disarm using the fibaro contacts opening/closing?

(b) I’m aware smartapps are cloud based, and sometimes the delays aren’t a problem, but as I mentioned earlier I don’t want to press a button then need to wait maybe 5 secs + to see if it’s registered and the delay buzzer sounds. How responsive is this, really?

© My existing solution uses a (local) smart mains socket to power a 12v beeping amber light. Can I still use the same here? Or more ideally, can this make a wife-friendly beeping or countdown via kioskbrowser ? (I use kioskbrowser on a dedicated android box for a variety of voice announcements.)

(d) Can this be set to flick a stack of switches on or off depending on whether alarm has been armed/disarmed… etc? One of the issues I found with smartthings is that (as I mentioned) sometimes these routines failed to complete in full. Possibly due to a last-minute change of mind. I seem to recall some mention of a built-in check for execution of routines…? Or perhaps this was another app on the @RBoy server.

(e) Is this compatible with the new app?

Shame that there isn’t an option to test out these apps beforehand. I know there’s a lot to be gained by access to the server, but i did look before and because I only want one app, it’s difficult to justify the high price. For example, actiontiles was on the expensive side, but I played with it for 2 weeks on and off before becoming utterly reliant on it =)

Cheers all.

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I’m struggling to get a response to my queries from the author so unfortunately it seems that it’s a no-go.

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This app is now compatible with the Ring Alarm Keypad. It’s a Z-Wave Plus keypad with many sophisticated and sleek features. You can find more details about it here:

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Is there any reason why I would want to stick with the stock alarm STHM functionality versus using this? I’m a user of other RBoy Apps and they’re great, I just want to understand if I’m losing anything by not using the stock STHM implementation?

Actually, does the RBoy app make use of that and operates more of like a better front end to it or does it operate completely on its own outside of the stock STHM system?

Another question I have… Can I use this as well as the RBoy LUM SmartApp to manage all the users for the RBoy Intruder Detection?

Thanks,

-Allistah

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Hey there. You can use both apps in tandem if you prefer the dashboard style view of STHM. The first post has instructions on how to set it up. This app builds on the security features of STHM and is highly configurable in terms of how you can arm / disarm, what sensors it can monitor and the actions it can take. it also has entry and exit delays with a spoken countdown if you have a compatible audio system. You can also install it multiple times to use it in different configurations, for example you can User it as a security monitoring system and also as a theft monitoring system for valuables or detecting it simmering is tampering with your devices.

Programming keypads is done using LUM.

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Ah ok, that helps. So I was thinking about getting the Ring Keypad Gen 2. Using that, the LUM, and the Intruder Alert with Actions, I should be able to use all together. I’ll take another look at the instructions. Are there any issues with using multiple Ring Gen 2 Keypads on the same system? Will the codes be synchronized?

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If someone attempts to arm the RBoy Intruder SmartApp and there are doors and/or windows still open, does it tell you that there are things still open without going and looking at all the doors and windows elsewhere in the app?

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@RBoy, I’m not sure if others have this feature request or not, but if there was an option to choose to turn on other device types–not just a keypad–for beeping when exit and entry delay is ongoing, that would be amazing. I have a Konnected “beeper” or “buzzer” and (I believe) it acts like a switch device type (things look different now that I converted to Konnected’s cloud system). So, in the “notifications” section, adding the ability to turn on (“beep”) things other than a keypad or audio device would be very, very handy…could even be a light bulb or virtual switches.

Thanks for considering it!

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@RBoy, I am also migrating my alarm system to Konnected and trying to get everything working like a typical alarm if possible. I already have acitontiles set up with touch screens all over the house. I just purchased Rboys apps for this exact smartapp. And am trying to get it to work with Konnected keypad buzzers that I have installed at every touchscreen. I dont know exactly how to get this setup but it will be necessary to make my system function the way I would like. I also dont see the option to select my door contacts or overhead door contacts using this app. It would be nice to have the ability to use my main doors with delays for entry and exit, but have any window or security contacts report immediately.

Is this even possible?

Thank you in advance

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You can select any compatible “contact” sensor in the Intrusion detection page. If your Konnected sensors aren’t showing up then you’ll have to contact Konnected to see why the sensors aren’t showing up.

Ofcourse, just install multiple instances of the app. Configure one to use the entry/exit delays, use the second instance to notify you when contact sensors are opened. This app can be used in a 100 ways and you can install it multiple times to account for each use case simultaneously.

Here’s an example where multiple installs provide different use cases at the same time based on how it’s configured:

  1. Entry/exit security system
  2. Notify if door/window is opened
  3. Monitor all devices for tampering and notify you/set off tampering alarm

You can couple Intruder Alerts with this app to make a powerful combination: [RELEASE] Door Chimes and Notifications for Doorbells and Sensors

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Hi there,

I use the Intruder SA and the LUM SA along with a single Ring Keypad Gen 2. The problem is that the keypad says Disarmed multiple times. I’m using three virtual switches and those are the states that everything else triggers off of. I’m also using the new STHM dashboard as well with a dummy switch to make it show up.

I use two instances of the RBoy Intruder SA, one for Armed Away, one for Armed Stay. For troubleshooting, if I flip the switch on the SA to disable both of the intruder SAs and only leave the LUM active, I do not get the duplicate verbal messages from the keypad. When I turn on the Intruder SAs again, I start to get duplicate verbals from the keypad (Disarmed…disarmed).

It would seem to me that the intruder app is somehow telling the keypad to disarm or something but I can’t find any settings in it for that. All I have set in the intruder app is triggers for the alarm, and the virtual switches that state away and stay.

What am I missing? I also noticed that when I turn the SA switch for the intruder apps off, the keypad will announce “Disarmed” when the intruder app switches off which is telling me that SA is somehow telling the keypad to disarm.

How is the Intruder app telling the keypad to disarm when I enable or disable or enable the intruder apps?

How can I troubleshoot this further? Drives me a little crazy when it’s repeating itself.

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@RBoy I just installed the Smartapp and I have a question (request maybe?). Is there a way to “link” the simulated (dummy) contact sensor and motion sensor I am using in the STHM to your app?

The way I am thinking about it is:

  1. I select both simulated devices in your app
  2. Select both simulated devices in STHM
  3. While your app is monitoring my location, if it “triggers” an alert, it will change the status of the simulated device and “trigger” STHM too

That way we “close” the loop between your app and STHM. It will also help us see at a quick glance of STHM if we had an intrusion alert. If you see one, the user can dig into the notification/sms to see what the intrusion was.

Let me know what do you think or if you have any questions.

Thanks in advance.

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Hi Maddie, why do I not have the screen (IMG_0038) in my SmartApp? I have the other ones, but that screen shot is not part of the app.

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@maddie, this is a (very) basic question I am guessing (sorry): I have created virtual switches in smartthings so as to be able to Arm (home and away) and Disarm the IA smartapp. In the Automation logic (for instance "if the virtual switch is ‘on’), what’s the “Then” logic to turn on or off the IA smartapp? I a missing how/what to do in the automation rule to get the App to turn on or off.