NEW Hub Replace Feature for SmartThings Hubs!

As our Hub Everywhere strategy continues to grow and make SmartThings hub technology more available than ever before, the need for customers to use the hub of their choosing is more important than ever. To help with this, we are excited to announce the release of our new Hub Replace feature. Hub Replace enables users to transfer everything from their current hub to a new one without having to manually reconnect each device or recreate Routines.

While we are excited about the increased flexibility this gives users in their hub choice, we are equally excited about the increase in reliability and peace of mind it brings to users’ smart homes. This is because the Hub Replace feature is also available to transfer device and Routine setups from a currently offline hub to a new hub in a worst case scenario where your current hub is no longer available.

The 50.XX hub firmware will enable the Hub Replace functionality for supported hub models. Many hubs are already updated to this version at the time of this post which means many users can begin taking advantage of the Hub Replace feature today. The Hub Replace process takes just a few minutes and can be easily performed from the SmartThings app.

To get started all you need is:

  1. Two hubs that support the Hub Replace feature. Once both hubs are added and showing on the same location in the app, you can validate if your current hub supports the feature by selecting the hub and choosing (⋮) More Options. If the Replace Hub option is not available then your hub does not currently support the feature.

  2. An app version of 1.8.09 or newer for Android or 1.7.09 or newer for iOS. This version for Android is rolling out to users right now and iOS will be available in just a few weeks.

The steps to start the Hub Replace process can also be found in the SmartThings Hub section of our support documentation here.

With the release of this feature, it will be easier than ever to continue growing your home into the smart home of your dreams.

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in a worst case scenario where your current hub is no longer available.

So… Even if a hub is broken/stolen it behaves like a kind of backup, via the cloud?
Just buy a new one, add it to the Location and start?
If that is the case it gives me an extra feeling of being secure.

Maybe in the future also an option to execute something in Location B when condition is valid in Location A? Nopw we use Sharptools. I feel we are getting closer. (Best example: Flicker bulb on Location A when motion detected on B.

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Nice!

Are there any region restrictions on which hubs can use this? :thinking:

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One thing is offline as they say here, another is broken, dead, stolen… We shall see what this really means. I never understood that there will be a cloud backup…

If a hub is “broken,” it seems reasonable to assume the cloud has some knowledge of the devices and their configurations, as well as Routines. I also is possible the “broken” hub may have had to be running on the minimum firmware level, e.g., 50.xx or later, for the SmartThings cloud to have “learned” everything it needs for a hub replacement.

In the long term, this is very, very good news!

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Which hubs are supported?

A long time coming and very welcome.

Thanks SmartThings.

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Sounds like it’s any hub on 50.x or higher. Currently that’s only V2 and V3/Aeotec.

Except they haven’t said that. I’m wondering if they’re going to roll it out slowly, or if it’s going to be region locked, or if there are some other factors. So far they’re just saying that if you can use it, it will be an option in the smartthings app. But no definitive model list so far.

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“some” knowledge?
Isn’t it all there? Samsung account
No need for a functioning hub.

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My point was that it is possible–and I have no knowledge either way–there may be settings not visible to us on the outside that are important in a fully functioning hub. If that were the case and firmware version 50.xx (or later) supplies any of said hidden information as “something new” to the SmartThings Cloud, well…

Pure speculation, as an experienced firmware engineer with no knowledge of the internal workings of the SmartThings architecture!

Perhaps you have additional inside knowledge???

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Nope. Just simple end-user.
And I understand your remarks better now.

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No mention of z-wave so I assume it’s not supported. Wonder if that makes a given hub ineligible or if it would just do the migration and ignore anything z-wave.

EDIT: FYI I was referencing the article linked in the announcement. I went back and looked again and it lists Z-Wave, so I must have just missed it before.

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It doesn’t specifically mention zigbee or thread either, so I wouldn’t draw the conclusion that z wave is not supported?

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Zwave has been included in some of the public mentions of the new hub replace feature. They’ve given the example of an advisory message that you will get if you are going from a hub that does have zwave to a hub (like station) which does not. Basically, it just tells you that the new hub doesn’t support Z wave so those devices will not be transferred.

Official blog post:

Hub Replace enables users to transfer everything from their current hub to a new one while keeping their existing setup intact. With Hub Replace, all devices, the Hub’s Matter fabric, Edge Drivers Data, Routines, and other Hub Settings, along with their Zigbee, Z-Wave, and Thread networks if supported by the receiving hub, will be seamlessly transferred and applied to the new hub with just a few quick taps.

Expanding the Smart Home Universe With ‘Hub Everywhere’  | SmartThings

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I was referring to the article they linked. I swear it didn’t say Z-Wave before, but is there now. I do have a bad habit of skimming so maybe I just missed it.

“With Hub Replace, all devices, the Hub’s Matter fabric, Edge Drivers Data, Routines, and other Hub Settings, along with their Zigbee, Z-Wave, and Thread networks if supported by the receiving hub”

I might give this a try over the weekend. See what happens

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It would be easy to miss. All that article wants to talk about is Matter. Zigbee and Z-Wave are pretty much an aside, and the grouping of Thread with them speaks volumes.

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Nothing new and integrated supports Zwave, hub replace appears to have been produced to allow for deprecation of v2, v3 hubs, support will stop for them and unless a new Hub is produced which supports current functionaly … i really hope we dont get fully shafted

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That would be better than not allowing for the deprecation of them and then deprecating them anyway. I can’t see that happening for a few years yet. Obviously the V2 is more vulnerable but it is not like they are falling over left, right and centre. I guess it really depends on how much special handling the V2 needs.

To me the obvious business case for ‘hub replace’ is the embedding of hubs in expensive TVs and appliances. You don’t want customers to be discouraged from buying more expensive appliances because moving the hub seems like too much of a faff.

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