"Hub 2"* shipping Aug 3rd! (*"Fibaro Home Center 2" hub, not SmartThings!)


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #1

(Shame on me for this Topic headline!) :smiling_imp:

$749 retail for the Fibaro Home Center 2 home automation hub; released limited availability to US retail.

Looks like a nice piece of hardware and cloud independent dashboard with graphic rules creator (“Advanced Scenes”). Is it worth the high price? Too soon to tell…

Poland-based Fibaro is targeting the custom-integrator channel with the shipment of its first home-automation hub for the U.S. market. The Z-Wave-equipped Home Center 2 hub began shipping Aug. 3 at a suggested retail of $749. … Besides integrating with Fibaro-brand Z-Wave sensors such as water, door/window and motion sensors, Home Center 2 is compatible with products from other brands. Those products include thermostats from Nest, Trane, Honeywell, RCS, and 2GIG; IP cameras from D-Link, Gen IV, Hikvision, Geo, Speco, and Axis; Linear garage door openers; Philips Hue lighting; DSC alarms; and other devices. - See more at: http://www.twice.com/news/home-automation/fibaro-home-center-2-hub-compatible-z-wave-nest-others/58149#sthash.QWSNj0Y0.dpuf

http://www.fibaro.com/us/the-fibaro-system/home-center-2


(Ash (www.smart-dots.com) / Ashutosh Jaiswal) #2

This is interesting. I wonder why such a high price point for the hub though. Haven’t yet read everything, but do they support an open platform?


(Ash (www.smart-dots.com) / Ashutosh Jaiswal) #3

This is what the article says,

“Other features include an open API and a developer website to create custom integration scenarios.”

This is really interesting! I dont like the price point of the hub though, considering its all zwave.


#4

The zipabox seems like a nice solution.

http://zipato.com/default.aspx?id=23

http://www.zipato.com/UserDocsImages/zipabox_heart.jpg
http://www.zipato.com/UserDocsImages/Creating_laptop.png


#5

Fibaro is a zwave antenna and some other integrations such as HDMI. Looks to me like it’s aimed at the high end European apartment market.


(Jared) #6

That was a total dick title! :grinning:


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #7

Well… This is the USA release announcement.

Some really like cloud independent products… But that comes with a price and limitations.


#8

Sure, they’re making some units available with the U.S. Zwave frequency. But I’d bet their business model is based on European sales.


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #9

I hear that Europeans are more vocal about privacy.

(eg, tougher rules for Google, etc.).

I wonder if that’s a challenge for SmartThings.


#10

European privacy laws are much stricter than the U.S., and getting stricter, but there are still cloud services. So definitely a challenge, but one that can be met, although it does add cost and complexity.


(Geko) #11

It’s a custom-built Intel-based PC. High manufacturing cost + low volume + high margin = $750 sticker price. :smile:

http://www.jdkholding.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/What_is_the_HC2.pdf

For that price I’d rather buy Mac Mini. It’s actually cheaper and more powerful. :slight_smile:


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #12

Buy you don’t get the Fibaro Home software (support, etc.).

I wonder what their hardware margins are compared to SmartThings… But Fibaro’s business model is based on hardware sales overall, unlike the mystery of SmartThings obvious lack of profit.


(Geko) #13

True, but when you drop $700 on high-end hardware, might as well spend $200 on high-end software. :smile:

https://www.indigodomo.com/index.html


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #14

I’m sure Fibaro considers their software to be “high end” too.

Well nice to see some competitors out there with a variety of strategies. I wonder if the market will consolidate, like cell phones have, to essentially three choices (Android, iOS, Windows, and dumb phones), with one of those being fully hardware agnostic…

There are plenty of people who think that the Smart Home market will actually shake out to the same exact players, actually. Will history mimic itself?


(Geko) #15

I may be wrong, but I don’t think smart home technologies will repeat the success of smartphone adoption. Smartphones truly revolutionized the way people communicate. Globally! Smart Home tech just does not have thee same reach and the same impact on people’s lives.

Not everyone has a home in the first place. When you’re single and rent a single bedroom apartment, there isn’t much to automate except maybe for a few lights. Considering how cumbersome it is to setup and operate, it will remain a niche product in the foreseeable future.

Also don’t forget that cell phone industry has a very profitable business model, based on subscription and monthly usage fees. Smart home is a perpetual money loser.

P.S. One of the biggest selling points for the smart home technology used to be “savings on electricity bill”. Well, with proliferation of LED bulbs, this is a pretty much a lost cause. With an LED bulb consuming 5 Watts and lasting 30,000 hours, I pretty much don’t care if it’s on all day long :smile:


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #16

True… certainly not “globally”; but I think “dumb homes” will eventually fade away. The timeframe is difficult to predict at this stage. Heck… when did we actually believe smartphone would reach the capability and ubiquity of today?

There are plenty of visionaries that believe there will be a “killer app” or “killer vendor” that will unlock the Smart Home market (I think it’s Nest … others are still convinced it will be Apple Home Kit, sigh.).

Regardless, plenty of analysts also predicting the size of the market. Cross reference to figure out how many vendors this will support, maybe…?

The usual $70-ish billion figure:
http://www.marketsandmarkets.com/PressReleases/global-smart-homes-market.asp

And this report is based on consumer survey (1600 people?):
http://www.icontrol.com/blog/2014-state-smart-home/


(Geko) #17

I think when first affordable cell phones appeared about 17 years ago and cell coverage reached critical mass, everyone in telco industry realized that it’s going to be a game changer. There was no smart phones back then, but it wasn’t too difficult to predict they would eventually appear.

Smart home tech has been around for much longer than cell phones and still is as fragmented and as infantile as it was 20 years ago.

Regardless, plenty of analysts also predicting the size of the market.

I don’t have a lot of confidence in these market studies. The fact is, that with smartphones essentially becoming a commodity and cannibalizing PC sales, everyone is desperate to find the “next big thing”. That’s the main reason behind all this recent push (and hype) for the “smart home”. To me it sounds more lake wishful thinking.


(John Mielko) #18

Not always. Bill Gates for one missed this,


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #19

Windows Mobile was a rather decent phone OS… And a few years ahead of the first iPhone. Relatively open and hackable.


(Beckwith) #20

I’ve been quite impressed with Fibaro devices and have been wanting to try out their hub as an alternative to SmartThings. Personally, I don’t care if it costs more as long as it is reliable.