Dual controlled in wall outlet (not a plug-in)


(kristina Bristow) #1

I am looking for dual controlled in wall outlets. All I can find are some that are no longer available (i bought 5 when i got them) that work with Ewelink, and a lot of 1 controlled/1 always on. I do not want the always on for ALL my outlets. I actually use these in my kids room so that they can’t watch tv late at night or so when grounded I can ‘cut’ power to tvs/game systems and such. As such I dont want to have them just ‘swap’ outlets when it’s off. I also want to be able to control multiple devices in my kitchen and such. I don’t want to add a lot of bulky ‘add on’ devices either.

I don’t care if they are dual controlled together or independently controller either. I have searched a lot but don’t want to commit a lot of money into a bunch of different hubs to make something work in our house.


#2

Are you in the US or the UK? Device selection does vary by region.

In the US, Inovelli does have a plug in zwave pocket socket with two separately controllable smart socket. I don’t know if they’re intending to make a version as an in wall receptacle, though. @Eric_Inovelli May be able to say more.

https://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/2385

GE has a similar zwave module, 28177

Most of the Z wave in wall micros cannot handle the load required by code for US in wall outlet. They are intended only to control lighting, typically with a maximum of 10 A where US code requires plug-in outlets they have up to 15 A at least.

There is a zigbee in wall micro from SmartenIT , the ZBLC15 , but unfortunately Smartthings does not officially support the zigbee commands required to make dual independent control work.

All three of these would require custom code, they don’t work out of the box with SmartThings because of the multi channel aspect.

I personally use the ConnectSense plug-in, which I really like, but it works with HomeKit, not smartthings.

https://www.connectsense.com/smart-outlet


(MarkTr) #3

If you aren’t already using ST, Insteon makes a plug like that - I was planning on doing this before I settled on SmartThings. https://www.insteon.com/on-off-outlet/


#4

@MarkTr Brings up a good point. This forum is for people who are using the Samsung smartthings home automation platform, so all of the answers that you get will be in that context and assume that you have a smartthings hub. Because it’s a very active forum, it tends to come up near the top of Google searches for home automation topics, but it is specific to that particular hub. So it may not be what you were looking for.


(kristina Bristow) #5

I am wanting to use the smart things hub. I just don’t want to set it up if there isn’t a way to do what i want. I also don’t want multiple hubs running my house.


#6

Are you in the US?


(kristina Bristow) #7

Yes. I am in the US.Though i do actually have some 220 UK outlets in my kitchen.


#8

US 220v outlets , Typically for large appliances, are wired differently then the 230 V systems in the UK. UK systems use ring mains, deliver the same 13A amperage to each outlet, and assume that there is a fuse built into every appliance cord. None of that applies to a US residential system. You just mean regular US 220 V outlets, correct?


(kristina Bristow) #9

We split the kitchen to have UK 220v outlets. They are on their own breaker. I use them for European appliances.


#10

Sounds like an interesting project!

For UK wired sockets, you can use lightwave RF generation 2 with the free IFTTT service to interface with a number of other home automation systems, including smart things. That does mean that the Internet has to be working in order for the integration to work as it is cloud to cloud. But I have no idea if they would meet local safety codes as they are intended for UK use. And they are not available in a regular US style.

https://lightwaverf.com/power/11482355796

So that wouldn’t be relevant to most people, but in your unusual set up it’s just something to be aware of.


#11

To go back to your original question…

I’m assuming you don’t want one of the plug-in modules because the kids could just remove it and then plug the entertainment devices into the wall socket…

So the short answer is there isn’t anything that works easily with smartthings in the US at the present time that can control both receptacles in an in wall outlet.

There are some dual zwave micros, but they don’t meet US specs for an outlet as they typically only support up to 10 A and US code almost everywhere requires at least 15A for an outlet. So they can work well for a light switch, but not the in wall receptacle.

Zigbee in wall dual micro from smartenIT that I mentioned might work with SmartThings, as it did at one time, but there have been a lot of changes since then and I don’t know of anyone currently using it. It’s a bit risky as the platform itself is changing and I’m not sure if it will be supported in the future. So you could look at that one with its own hub. But that has a limited set of devices.

As far as other platforms, as mentioned above Insteon makes a model that would work, but that would require their hub.

There are several HomeKit models now available with the features you’re looking for. You don’t need a special hub for those, but you do need either one Apple TV or one iPad or one HomePod so you can set up the automations. If you already use Apple devices, this can be a good choice, but if you only have android phones and tablets then it’s probably not worth it.

There are some ewelink Wi-Fi outlets at Amazon that work with Alexa, so you should be able to find at least one. Many of those are Chinese and do not have US safety certifications, though, so I personally wouldn’t use them for in wall receptacles. But that’s obviously an individual choice.

Sorry not to be more help. Most people with a smartthings hub just use the plug-in modules, but I understand that doesn’t match your requirements.