Adding a new User in app v2

It feels to me like SmartThings as a company is still probably very much the same as it was structurally and in terms of staffing levels as before the Samsung buyout, the only real difference seems like a new owner (and not the masses of extra resource we would like to believe they suddenly have - good dev’s and support staffers don’t grow on trees!)

To that end, I’m sure that there are people pulling all nighters and impacting their personal lives to try and get some of these headline issues sorted. I work in the tech industry and I have an idea what it can be like so let me say thank you to those who are toiling away in the background.

However - all that hard work and sacrifice is invisible to us unless you tell us that you’re working on it, be transparent about progress and keep regularly updating us. Even a placeholder message to say you’re still working on it but something still isn’t quite right etc. would probably ally some noise here.

Anyway - chalk me up to be another eagerly awaiting the time when my wife can actually turn one of our lights on or off. (which she can’t because we can’t add her as a user and being in the UK OAuth problems prevent SmartTiles etc…)

Cheers - James.

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Not to throw a log on the fire but how hard is it to create a page with current issues they are working on within this forum and allow users to vote for them. They can use a google model with red, yellow and green depending on working on it, planned and not planned. They can see trends and also easily subscribed to updates. The forum can be tied to the actual repair as a one stop shop. It creates transparency, cuts down on duplicate support tickets and also lets the customer know that it is in fact being worked on.

I get it tech is hard, nobody knows that more then I and I get reminded of it every time I received a call asking me to turn off the alarm and open the front door.

Not a rant, just a suggestion.

It’s a business, with managers and executives to make decisions, not a democracy of a tiny minority of customers. Even if they did listen to us, I’d vote against this idea!

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Update:

App update progress is coming along. We’re close. I don’t have a shareable date yet, mostly because there are a few major roadblocks that need to be overcome. I am optimistic that it won’t be too long but things can come up, and I’m not comfortable yet giving a better timeline because I can’t promise one yet.

As soon as I have more information I will let you guys know.

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This is me. I used to be on board and excited about ST. That changed when IOS 2.0 came out. I have not only told everyone I previously recommended ST to, I’ve made sure to leave negative reviews on every retail site that sells them.

Btw, funny thing about that. There are a surprising number of 5 star reviews cropping up by people who have only ever reviewed ST items.

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Thanks for the reminder! I just went an left a 5 star review for my purchase of the ST hub.
I’ve also told some friends how cool it is.

:grinning:

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I’m not personally attacking you but anyone who uses the term “tiny minority of customers” doesn’t understand how a business truly works. This entire forum and everyone on it fits that description, the entire subset of Smartthings consumer retail purchases fits that description. Every customer is as important as the next, there are no bad ideas because something can be learned from the root of every problem. I get it the developers check the forums, they learn from us, they even provide updates every now and then and I still have my hub because of that (without it it would have been returned). So in essence they saved a customer, a single customer with 2 hubs, soon to be 5 once this gets figured out.

You think that those within Samsung answer to the managers and executives?

Nope they answer to the consumer because without these fantastic individuals I can guarantee you there would be no managers or executives…as a matter of fact there would be no Samsung. Just ask Commodore Computers about alienating a few customers, how did that work out for them. Oh right it didn’t, everyone here has heard of the Commodore plus/4 right?

I’m glad you reminded us about Commodore. I was struggling to think of a fitting example to compare ST to…

There are several SaaS (web based) Customer Feedback Service offerings out there, among the best is http://www.UserVoice.com, though it has become a little pricey. These offer, in some form or another, exactly what you describe – a way for both bugs and feature requests to be described, discussed, and voted upon. UserVoice offers a vote allocation system (you get an allowance of 10 Votes total, for example, and can give 1, 2, or 3 votes to your favorite issues until your allowance is used up; when an issue is complete, merged, or discarded, you get your votes back for other issues).

Is letting Customers help drive priority of a a product a good idea? It sure is.

The trendy business model these days is MVP – Minimum Viable Product. You can read hundreds of articles and books on the topic. The fact is the with MVP, you don’t really take much customer feedback into account … before the first launch. You need to get to market quickly with minimal expense to see if the basic idea makes sense and has a sufficiently large market willing to buy the product.

MVP is the reason Kickstarter and IndieGogo is such a popular launch model for new products. Ironically enough, that includes SmartThings. Doh!

The next step in MVP is constant, agile iteration and improvement. Of course, “improve” has many definitions and inputs … it must include, for example, a lot of back-end refinement to scale the previous “minimum” configuration (e.g., moving to local processing from just cloud processing); The choice of improvements can obviously benefit from Customer input. The aforementioned Customer Feedback Services (voting, etc.) seem like a rather efficient way to collect that input, even if not a scientific sample set. Focus groups and individual demo/feedback interviews are additional options.

The Risk (drawbacks)?

Publishing the issues / bugs / feature request list has been discussed a few times, and I’m ambivalent because I acknowledge the following drawbacks … mostly to SmartThings, frankly.

  • Product reputation (and sales) can suffer due to the excessive naked transparency of all the current bugs/flaws being published. Even the history of successes (which can be collected by web scrapers) can contribute to the negative perception, as it gives a history of all the mistakes, bugs, flaws, shortfalls … along with how long each took to resolve!

  • Competitors can more easily exploit SmartThings’s weaknesses, especially if they note which bugs/features have the highest votes and are not being addressed.

  • Users will be extra frustrated if their vote feedback (i.e., bugs and issues with the highest votes) are ignored by SmartThings, even if for very good reasons (or for reasons that are strategic, long-term, and cannot be published for competitive reasons).

  • Bug Fixes and Features that are “accepted” into the queue need to be given release timelines, else Customers endlessly beg “when is this going to be ready, are we there yet, didn’t you say it was going to be ready last month” … i.e., SmartThings is either pressured into rushing and releasing enhancements too soon for proper a proper development and test cycle, or again, they receive a reputation as being unable to meet their own deadlines. If they pick conservative deadlines, then Customers complain the fixes are way too far away and they’re going to leave for a competitor.

  • As @bravenel points out; It is difficult to get “good data” from the average Customer, particularly when the set of sampled customers is small and not scientific (i.e., not distributed randomly and weighted across the desired target market demographics; novices vs. power users vs. geeks vs. professionals vs. competitors). Online voting systems aside, even many professionals in the marketing industry think that Focus Groups don’t yield good data. Innovation needs to come from within a company and focusing too much on short-term customer demands distracts from long-term strategy and goals. In the case of SmartThings, I reiterate: We are small potatoes: Only around 150,000 Customers total, a fraction of which are on this Community Forum … when compared to the millions of Customers that SmartThings is targeting. It is quite possible that the #1 bug/feature we vote for is the #10 in priority of that much larger population, or it doesn’t fit the abstract concept that SmartThings is really headed towards in terms of the big picture, artificially-intelligent homes with mega revenue generating potential … or not.


If I had to choose, I would prefer the fully transparent approach, including the collection of Customer feedback in text and votes. But I would also like to be able to trust that SmartThings would use good business factors in ultimately being in control and making deciding priorities and implementation timelines. And we already know that it would be a very very bad idea for SmartThings to publish “hard dates” for fixes and features; they are simply too many variables preventing them from meeting their estimated timelines.

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It certainly isn’t coming from the subset of customers who complain on these forums about what a bad thing ST is, or those with their own ideas about how ST should function as a company. I have no problem at all with people complaining, as I certainly do sometimes. It’s just that we aren’t the people who have designed this, who make it work, who are struggling with complexity, and most likely doing their very best to make this a great product. For any of us here to think for a second that we know better than the company how to move forward is presumptuous.

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My middle name. :speak_no_evil:

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Today I learned that some people consider it “presumptious” to want something you paid $750 for to work as well and have at least as many working features after an “update” as before.

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I only said that it’s presumptuous to proclaim here how the company should be managed as if they are a collection of dolts while we are all experts on their business.

It’s not at all presumptuous to want ST to work properly. We all do.

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People, please keep things civil. Like everyone else, I’m looking forward to this getting fixed, but in the meantime there’s no reason to be fighting against fellow HA users. I don’t know if everyone has tried it, but Life360 has worked for MY situation.

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How much did you pay for your ST hub?! It’s like $99!

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I have had no problem with Goodbye firing using both my and my wife’s phone as presence sensors. I just installed SmartThings on her phone using the primary username/password and her phone was automatically registered as a presence sensor that works perfectly fine.

That said, I am looking forward to being able to set up proper accounts.

I’m with @HillbillySUV on this one, @Benji.

This isn’t the case of a new customer who bought too many Devices without first exploring the Platform with a smaller kit (i.e, $99 + a few standard things that could be used on a competitor).

If I understand correctly, Billy had a $750 system with many working features, that SmartThings broke. Sure… one way to fix it is to toss the $99 hub and switch to a competitor, but that effort is non-trivial and doesn’t excuse SmartThings from causing this impact.

Oh, I get you now, I was just confused.

Personally I still view SmartThings like I viewed the Wink Hub, nothing I have purchased will only work on this specific hub. If it doesn’t work out with ST as it didn’t with Wink then I move on and the only investment I’ve lost this time is $99 and time, with Wink since it was free I’m only out the time I spent on it.

Unless you brought things that only work on ST, you can’t “charge” ST with that investment.