I currently have a dumb “outlet” that has 4 usb A outlets in it (nothing else). I would like to replace it with one that had 4-6 USB A and or USB C “outlets” that can be controlled (e.g, scheduled off at night). I see lots of smart outlets, but usually the USB part is on 24/7. I’m in the US, don’t want to use WIFI and would prefer (matter/Zigbee/ Wifi) that executes locally on ST. Has anyone seen anything like this?
Here you go. Tuya Zigbee device, works with one of Mariano’s edge drivers, the 2 USB slots can definitely be controlled by automations, but only as a group. At the time of this posting, it was $30 in the US.
BTW, I have a friend using this with a hue hub who is very happy with it. But with the edge driver you can connect it directly to a Smartthings/Aeotec hub.
Tuya probably has some other models with more than two USB slots, but you’ll have to do some research for that. At least this one should give you some hope and a brand to research.
Thanks- looks like this meets my needs! I’ve got two in my cart now.
but to clarify, this meets the outlet strip need, but not necessarily the outlet with USB replacement.
What specifically are you looking for in that regard? And are you sure Wi-Fi won’t work even if it’s local with an edge driver?
This meets my separate outlet strip need quite nicely. I also was hoping to replace one outlet drop in for usb ports (note sure what thit is called). I’ve avoided wi-fi for a few reasons. Correct me if I’m wrong about them. First, I thought most Wifi integrations were C2C. If that’s not the case per your note, this is a plus. Second, I thought Wifi had a fairly limited number of “slots” available and perhaps using them for basic home control, wasn’t the best use of them (Although I suppose if there is a lot of energy reporting that could be an issue that would max out zwave of Zigbee). Third, I’ve gotten the perception that there are fewer security hoops to break into wifi than the other protocols. Fourth, my personal preference is to have all of my smart home in one place. Obviously, this isn’t fully realized, as I have other C2C, including google, but I don’t use multiple hubs, rarely use IFTT much for this reason. Fifth (not an issue here) is that wifi will suck up lots of battery power. So in this case, I’d be good with wifi if its local, is not using valuable slot and is reasonably secure.
Any Wi-Fi device is going to use a slot on your Wi-Fi router, so that just comes down to how many WiFi devices you have.
It is true that Wi-Fi is a much better protocol for frequent energy reporting then Z wave, Zigbee, or thread. Same reason we don’t run video over those protocols.
Lots of Wi-Fi can run local, it just depends how it’s configured. For example, Apple HomeKit has a Requirement that everything runs local. I have some Meross Smart plugs which are local to Apple home and cloud to cloud to SmartThings. The same device running at the same time with both systems.
If a device uses either matter over Wi-Fi or an edge driver, it’s going to run local, because edge drivers are not allowed to go out to the Internet.
The community has created edge drivers for a number of Wi-Fi devices, such as the ones that can be flashed with Tasmota and for TP-Link kasa.
How many slots your Wi-Fi router has depends very much on the specific model. Some are as low as 32, some allow 150, some will let you go even higher, although, of course, eventually your system may bog down.
As far as security, that’s up to the manufacturer. Wi-Fi devices connected to Apple home are using a very high-level of security, but a cheap no-name brand bought off of Alibaba, and just connected to its own app may not have much security at all. Security for matter over Wi-Fi is pretty good.
Hi, do you know if it works with 220V?
The specific model I linked to does not, but there are lots of Tuya devices manufactured for the EU and Asia regions so I suspect they probably exist. But you would need to look from other suppliers that cater to those regions.
Here’s a similar one for the UK market. You would have to confirm if that one works with the existing edge drivers, or if the developer needs to add a new fingerprint.
Thanks for taking the time to answer!
No problem. Tuya makes devices for many different regions, so you just need to find a company that designs for the country where you want to use it And then, as I mentioned, make sure the fingerprint of that specific model is in one of the edge drivers. Or ask the author to add it.
Thanks. The easiest way for me to source devices to Perú is from Amazon US. Even if they’re not rated for 220V, I found out that many devices work in that voltage, for example the old centralite smart outlet that came with the SmartThings kit and the Sonoff S40 Wifi, even the Hub’s power supply works.
So whenever I buy a device that’s not rated for 220V, all I do is plug it and pray. LOL
I can confirm that this works with @Mariano_Colmenarejo’s Zigbee ‘Multiswitch and Child Mc’ driver with both USB sockets switched on switch 5 (UK version as linked by @JDRoberts above) but no power metering…
Not sure if I made my use case clear. The outlet strips are great for most rooms, but I need this for my kitchen, so I don’t want an outlet strip here. I finally found something that is close, but doesn’t workdirectly with st. Does anyone know of one that does? MOES Smart USB Wall Outlet Receptacle with Type-C & Type-A Charger,
Thanks for the clarification. I’ll have to think about it. Speaking just for myself, I would only use a UL or ETL certified device for an in-wall receptacle. The one you linked to is a Tuya device that I think has no US safety certifications. Does that matter to you?
OK, it’s up to each individual manufacturer whether they choose to go through UL certification or not. Top Greener does for most models, so they have one which is essentially the same as the Moes design, but UL certified. Smartthings integration* would be through IFTTT, Alexa routines or you can set up a local integration through home assistant, but that would be a huge amount of work if you’re not already using it.
If I think of anything else, I’ll post it.
as @Paul_Oliver notes below, there is an official smartthings/tuya cloud to cloud integration, but it only works through scenes. I just blanked when I was writing the integration options above. My bad.
Moe’s and Top Greener both run on the Tuya platform, so you can use the following work around to get them to work with SmartThings if they don’t already work using the Tuya-SmartThings integration.
If its available, I’d definitely prefer it. At this point, I select this one just as an example, as it was perhaps easier than words to explain what I was looking for.
Thanks for checking. I’d p[refer to avoid IFTT and I Use google. and don’t have HA set up. Hence the desire for ST native. I suppose for the ones that work via Google I could use that indirectly, but also had hoped to avoid that.
This is an idea. Are these effectively local integrations? But no way to know for sure if they’ll work until you but the device and try it out?