Z-Wave Smoke Detector


(Solardave1) #1

http://www.cepro.com/article/first_z-wave_smoke_detector_for_US_debuts_from_first_alert/


(Chrisb) #2

You’re late to the party solardave!!

http://build.smartthings.com/forums/topic/first-alert-smoke-detector-iris/


(Solardave1) #3

Story of my life. I just got the press lease this morning. Are we sure its the same device?


(Im Brian) #4

Now to figure out when they’ll be on the market, where to get them , how much they’ll cost and when the dual smoke / CO detector will be out. I’m looking forward to replacing all my detectors with z-wave dual smoke/CO.


(Chrisb) #5

@imbrian

Now to figure out when they’ll be on the market,
Now.
where to get them ,
Lowe's
how much they’ll cost
For the unit with Voice Alert (ie, you record you voice and it plays it back... supposelly more effect at waking up some children), the price is $49.97: http://www.lowes.com/pd_429037-347-SCO501CN_0__?productId=4075206&Ntt=first+alert+smoke&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNtt%3Dfirst%2Balert%2Bsmoke&facetInfo=

For the unit with just the Alarm the price is $39.97:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_505521-347-ZCOMBO_0__?productId=4780109&Ntt=first+alert+smoke&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNtt%3Dfirst%2Balert%2Bsmoke&facetInfo=

and when the dual smoke / CO detector will be out.
Now.
I’m looking forward to replacing all my detectors with z-wave dual smoke/CO
I'm probably going to get at least two of them soon. Andrew @urman had talked about getting one to test compatibility. If he's still looking at doing that soon I might wait until we get the official okay on it.

(Im Brian) #6

@chrisb - I thought those were the ones mentioned here: http://build.smartthings.com/forums/topic/first-alert-smoke-detector-iris/ I thought there seemed to be doubts about their compatibility with ST as they seem to use a proprietary protocol called EZMac, hence the need for the SmokeBridge on the Insteon side of things. However, I may have been confusing the two different models (ZCOMBO vs OneLink: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FCA5W6/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3 ).

Has anyone used the Lowe’s ZCOMBO cited? Is it hardwired? Any issues in setup?


(Chrisb) #7

@imbrian,

They look like the identical thing to me… I hadn’t heard anything about the EZMac… just re-read it and see the post now about EZMac. If you go down about 4 posts in that thread @llcanada mentioned that s/he picked up one and “It comes up as a binary sensor. I haven’t did much with it yet.”

Hoping Andrew can get one soon and let us know.


(Im Brian) #8

Then I’ll be waiting to see if they work as expected before placing an order :slight_smile:


(Solardave1) #9

The press release made it sound like its newer and not the Lowes version.


(Solardave1) #10

Wait, if it comes up as a binary señor why wouldn’t it work? (State switch). In any case, lowes product support finally emailed me back and said their system is ezmac and not standardized z-wave although I have my doubts about the competency of the person who answered my question.


(Chrisb) #11

If it’s coming up as a binary sensor it should work just fine for reporting to ST if smoke is detected.

But what we don’t know are two other things I’d love to find out:

First, can SmartThings trigger this device to turn on? For example, if my smoke detector in the basement goes off, I’d love to have ST trigger my upstairs smoke alarm by where I’m sleeping.

Second, is the Alarm/Siren accessibly separately from turning the alarm on/off? For example, if I have a water sensor in my basement and it detects a leak I’d like to sound a siren. But I don’t want to just turn on the smoke detector as that might be tried to other things such as Turning on lights, unlocking doors, sending text messages warning about a fire.

I think the second options is unlikely, but I’m hoping at least the first is possible, and that would really change how many of these devices I might pick up.


(Chrisb) #12

@solardave1,

The press release made it sound like its newer and not the Lowes version.

It looks like the same device in the picture in the new release as what I see on Amazon and Lowes. I’d also guess that if it was something different it wouldn’t be labeled as the “first zwave smoke detector” as the ones listed on Lowes and Amazon are obviously already out.

But of course, the picture might just be stock and the “first zwave smoke detector” could just be hype.


(Andrew Urman) #13

Just ordered http://www.lowes.com/pd_429037-347-SCO501CN_0__?productId=4075206&Ntt=first+alert+smoke


(Blake Westerdahl) #14

@urman I think this the z-wave one:

http://www.lowes.com/pd_505521-347-ZCOMBO_0__?Ntt=zcombo&UserSearch=zcombo&productId=4780109&rpp=32

I tried finding it my local Lowes but none of them have it in stock.


(Chrisb) #15

@urman, @trotsky40,

They’re both z-wave. The $50 one has “Voice Alert” while the $40 does not.

Basically you can record you voice telling your kids to get up because of a fire… supposedly more effective for kids. They obviously haven’t tested it on my kids because they don’t listen to me at all when I’m trying to get them out of bed in the morning.

Although the idea of recording your voice as a “siren” does have some interesting possibilities. Setup one of your detectors to say this if a door or window is open when you’re away:

“Warning… this house is monitored by Security System. The police have been alerted to your intrusion.”

Or your could record a reminder to yourself that goes off in the morning when the door is opened: “Hey moron… did you remember to grab your lunch?!?”


(Gray) #16

@urman: I think @trotsky40 is right. There’s a “onelink” version, which just seems to be a way to get all of them to go off if one goes off, and a “wireless” version which says it’s Iris-compatible.

I’m definitely curious, and hoping they make a hardwired Z-wave version since I have wired detectors I’d love to replace.


(Solardave1) #17

Sorry to jump in mid-thread (but I’m the OP so I figure I ca) but isn’t “hardwire z-wave” an oxymoron?

To what I think the point is, if the unit is z-wave “comparable” and assuming ST can recognize and deal with the device type and assuming that the detector is bi-directional in nature (ie: can receive a command to go into alarm state) then its a software issue to have one that goes off set off all the others (and do things like turning on lights, sirens, control HVAC fans, unlock doors, etc.).

I’m still waiting to hear from the S out guys but I know that I can attach a z-wave radio to a cellular m2m designed communicator and have it report an alarm condition to a central monitoring station (only need 2 wires and 3.3 vdc) and a SIM card from the monitoring company.

The whole home IOT concept really needs integration (dare I say the overused ‘seamless’ integration) to really float my boat. That’s the reason I’m excited about the potential of Scout and hopefully a cooperative arrangement between them and ST. I would very much like to move away from the multiple MCV Vera setup that runs my world at the moment for lots of reasons. The issue will resolve itself since this seems to be the year that everyone is jumping on the IOT bandwagon and as things shake out, everything will fall into place. The end game is uncertain but its at least a visible light at the end of the tunnel thing.


(Chrisb) #18
Sorry to jump in mid-thread (but I’m the OP so I figure I ca) but isn’t “hardwire z-wave” an oxymoron?

Not necessarily. Hardwiring could provide two benefits with connected Smoke Detetors.
1.) Hardwired likely means no battery. There is likely power to the units meaning no worries about batteries. This would be even more important in a wireless communication setup that would use batteries up sooner.

2.) Hardwired could mean that you only need to have one device that is wireless. For example, if you have a detector in every bedroom (3), plus 2 on the main floor and two in the basement, that’s could save quite a bit of money needing to buy only 1 z-wave unit and 6 non-z-wave units.


(Chrisb) #19
@urman: I think @trotsky40 is right. There’s a “onelink” version, which just seems to be a way to get all of them to go off if one goes off, and a “wireless” version which says it’s Iris-compatible.

I’m definitely curious, and hoping they make a hardwired Z-wave version since I have wired detectors I’d love to replace.

Wow… first I was wrong on the whole GE/Jasco 45612 repeater thingie, now it looks like I might be wrong here too.

After re-viewing things again it seems like Blake and @gray might be write. The the $50 unit is definitely wireless, but the description doesn’t say anything about z-wave… only the “onelink” that, as Gray indicated, allows for the alarms to be interconnected. It uses some sort of Mesh network according to First Alerts website, but it doesn’t specify which one.


(Gray) #20

Sorry @solardave1, I meant “hardwired” in the sense that it would be wired electrically, not wired for networking. They obviously also have battery backup.

These are actually required by code for new construction, and when my house was renovated hardwired alarms were installed. I’d rather not replace them with alarms that only operate off of battery power (and additionally, I believe doing so would violate code).