Sunrise/sunset setting now only has max 60 minutes, used to let you choose HOURS

[mrsmartypants]

i used to be able to schedule lights to turn on/off HOURS before or after sunset. now i see this option is no longer available… you can only choose MINUTES before or after sunrise/sunset.

PLEASE BRING BACK THE OPTION FOR HOURS. only being able to do it 60 minutes max time isn’t acceptable! this new app really is missing a LOT!

[GSzabados (Gabor Szabados)]

The Smart Lighting SmartApp still allows you to set it to more than 60 minutes, but to enter negative values, you have to copy a - sign first to the clipboard to be able to enter it.

@Brad_ST, the OPs comment is fair, that this limitation is there.
My comment above with the missing - sign from the keypad is must be a joke. (I believe this issue was reported more than a half year ago, at least.)

Just a screenshot for reference…

Can you poke those internal bug reports a bit for us?

[mrsmartypants]

ALSO, once you migrate to the new app, you can’t edit Automations that were imported – you get a communication error, and it wont let you change them! only way to get them to change is by deleting them and adding it back as a new automation.

[jlv]

@GSzabados

My comment above with the missing - sign from the keypad is must be a joke. (I believe this issue was reported more than a half year ago, at least.)

[Brad_ST (Brad)]

@mrsmartypants

ALSO, once you migrate to the new app, you can’t edit Automations that were imported – you get a communication error, and it wont let you change them! only way to get them to change is by deleting them and adding it back as a new automation.

I filed a bug report about this and it’s being investigated.

@GSzabados

Can you poke those internal bug reports a bit for us?

[mrsmartypants]

hey brad, any routines that had sunset/sunrise set to over 1 hour wouldn’t import to the new app as well. this seems to be a bug … as there is no option to select “hours” for sunrise/sunset, only up to 60 minutes. i had lights set to turn on 2 hours before sunset and can no longer choose this. can you please submit a bug report about this as well?

also why won’t momentary button tiles work in the new app? some lights i had that only support them now won’t work. says cannot connect to device for them now.

thanks!

[Brad_ST (Brad)]

I understand you had numerous Routines with offsets greater than 60 minutes. The new app only supports offsets up to 60 minutes by design. I passed along your feedback and frustration but don’t have any insight into that decision.

I assume you’re referring to this device: momentary-button-tile.groovy. If so, the metadata needs to be updated.

This might serve your needs:

Need developer input: Capability "Momentary" is needed in the new API!

That screenshot comes from a virtual device using this: It is just a simple button that generates ‘pushed’ events (the ‘down_6x’ status is just used to initialise the button status without fearing setting off an automation). The Momentary capability calls the ‘push()’ method which sends the button pushed event. I mostly use it as a momentary button with ActionTiles but the Momentary action works fine in the new app too. *It doesn’t work in the Classic app because I deliberately left the ‘tiles()’ block out. *

[jlv]

@Brad_ST

The new app only supports offsets up to 60 minutes by design. I passed along your feedback and frustration but don’t have any insight into that decision.

Is this a UI design flaw? Is this an implementation flaw? Is this a backend design flaw? Curious software engineers want to know.

[olive]

FYI, same feedback/request as @mrsmartypants: it’s been a year now, please bring back the option for hours.

[Bob_W (Bob)]

I too would like more than 60 minutes,

[Valorguy (Bart)]

This is critical to me using and buying items with Smartthings. I will use Hubitat if you guys can’t fix the issue with hours before or after sunset, sunrise, etc…

What is the issue with fixing this?

[jkp]

You can use @Mariano_Colmenarejo virtual calendar (Edge driver)

Sunrise-Sunset and Calendar functions for edge

New name and version of the driver Zigbee Sunrise and Sunset Mc (Zigbee Calendar Mc) To give it some utility more than a calculation of susrise and sunset with offsets, I have added Calendar functions to this driver, since from time to time someone needs to use it to automate irrigation or other things, that they need to use IFTT for example: Added Capabilities of Date one and two: They allow to make automations for period between dates In order to make equal, greater or lesser comparisons, the chosen format must be an integer number. The format to build a representative and comparable number of a date will be YYYYMMDD, that is, for today 2022, June, 10 it would be: 20220610 I didn’t find another way to enter usable data formant of date, Capability Hour of the day: In this way it c…

[Valorguy (Bart)]

I’m such a NUB - I can’t find how to add this to my Samsung Smartthings app… Can you tell me how to do this?

[jkp]

Subscribe to his channel and select the driver to enroll it…

One simple home system. A world of possibilities. | SmartThings

Currently Edge works on V2/V3 and Aeotec hubs. Next Monday after they start pushing out firmware for the Connect/wifi mesh hubs, it should work on those.

[orangebucket (Graham)]

@Valorguy

What is the issue with fixing this?

Routines are simple automations managed by the mobile app and built using a subset of the functionality of the Rules API. The full Rules API is available to users who don’t wish to use the Routines or require more than they can offer. Perhaps Routines were designed with the sixty minute offset for a reason and aren’t considered broken?