SmartThings Android app Version 1.8.21.28

We need a search function when creating a category :sweat_smile:

It just me or the categories only can be created with scenes and not with automatic routines? :thinking:

I get offered a list of manual and automatic scenes.

I just created a category with one of each and then, having established it was created as expected, I deleted it. When I returned to the Routines page having done so I found all my manual and automatic routines, and all my SmartApps, had gone and I just had a box prompting me to start adding routines. Fortunately this was just a display bug and they haven’t really gone.

What a rollercoaster


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I’ve just looked at deleting categories again.

If you untick all the Routines in your category and then delete it (you can’t have an empty category for some reason) all is well.

If you leave a Routine ticked and then delete the category you get 


You have to re-enter the app to see your Routines again.

Got the update this morning :partying_face:

Someone forgot about users with dark mode in Android (non Samsung), there’s text in the App update notice but it’s black, you can select it to read it though.

Regarding routine categories, there’s an “All” and the categories you create, but I miss so much a way to see routines that are “not in a category”. Most of my routines are just auto-generated routines for button events so I thought, cool, I will hide them in a Buttons category. But now I still have to see them when creating other categories or browsing the list. Guess I’ll have to follow the opposite strategy, leave the button events uncategorized and add the others to a category and remember to update it every time I add a new routine.

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Thermostat in the Tapo app:

Thermostats in ST:

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Had my first ‘Suggestion’ on the Home page.

The ‘View details’ was a link to the QR code page for the Location.

For context, the Location has just the one user (by design) and currently is only used to park two offline v2 hubs. There aren’t any devices. So what the presumed ‘family or friends’ would find of interest isn’t clear.

I agree. I would like to be sure that I’ve categorized all my Routines, but it’s a pain to go through every category and do a count to make sure I’ve got them all and, if not, which one(s) I am missing. Be nice to kind of like a “Room Unassigned” for Routines :slight_smile: I also think it’s silly to show Routines that are all ready categorized in the create/edit category dialog.

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Ah, but a Routine can be in more than one category, so how else would they do it?

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If that’s the case, perhaps some small indicator such as a checkmark or the like to indicate that it’s been categorized or not.

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I don’t know if this is new to this version or not 


In the past when I’ve been installing Matter devices it has always been Google/Android that has (sometimes) detected them and displayed a modest sized pop-up, favouring the use of Google Home by default but politely allowing switching to other apps such as eWeLink or SmartThings.

Today it was SmartThings that responded within the tiniest fraction of a second of the device being plugged in and displaying a massive pop-up. I don’t think I’ve actually see that happen before. It was actually rather unfortunate as the flow is very broken.

I wasn’t expecting SmartThings to acknowledge the existence of any other apps, but I certainly expecting to be asked which hub I would like to install the device on (I had both a hub group and a standalone hub available). It didn’t. Then when it came to looking for the thread networks I wasn’t expecting any interaction at all as only the hub group network was available and it never asks even when there is a choice. Instead it displayed the group thread network and asked for the network ID. WTF.

I repeated this a few times and then ignored the pop-up and did it ‘manually’ from within the SmartThings app. I was asked which hub I wanted to use, I chose the group primary, and it just got on with it.

So by sticking its oar in where it wasn’t needed the app has made itself look stupid.

Even if it got it right it would be premature as these pop-ups (SmartThings or otherwise) appear far too soon. The Matter devices are often still initialising themselves after power-on when the pop-ups appear and once they’ve finished they don’t actually need pairing.

Oh, and the default device name it gives me is now ’ 1’. That’s also somewhat silly.

I can’t speak to any issues related to thread networks or multiple hubs, but when I installed Matter devices a month or so ago (prior to the latest app version), I got the following large pop-up which I assumed was from SmartThings. Is this what you’re referring to?

As many times as I tried onboarding those bulbs by clicking “Add” on that pop-up, the process always got stuck in an endless loop when it got to the “Checking for available Wi-Fi Networks” stage. Finally, I clicked on “Add to a different app” on the pop-up instead, which encouraged me to add the bulbs to Google but gave me the option to choose other apps, including SmartThings. That process, which I assume was the Google/Android process, worked smoothly and instantly every time.

It was certainly similar and possibly the same. I don’t remember seeing the link to use a different app but maybe it was actually there and I just didn’t notice as when it comes to commissioning Matter devices I find the best place to be is in the SmartThings app on a Galaxy.

I don’t remember seeing it before, or if I have it was rare as Google always seemed to get in first.

I tried that as well (ST App, Galaxy phone), but had the same issue mentioned above. But that’s getting a bit off-topic and I’ll just leave it there.

I’m still puzzling over the Give devices to someone else option.

I would actually quite like to transfer my beta hub and its devices from one Location to another. As the hub is owned by user A and the target Location is owned by user B, it seems like it might be the sort of job that Give devices to someone else is meant for. I’m guessing though as this thing has appeared without explanation.

If I am using ST as user B I can see a device on this hub but it I select it I am told it is the hub I have to select and it isn’t an option because the hub isn’t owned by user B.

However when I use ST as user A the hub isn’t there either.

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I’ve given up trying to make sense of Give devices to someone else.

I’ve been using the app quite a bit in the last few days and I’m struggling with certain elements of the UI introduced in this update.

  • While not having Remove device in the hold menu of device tiles is an improvement, having Remove device in the Room option menu is not a good idea. It wouldn’t be quite so bad if it only allowed removal of the devices in the Room being displayed, but you can choose any device which makes no sense.
  • Similar to above, removing the Room context from Move devices is also a little strange. There is an ‘All devices’ Room for handling all the devices at once.
  • Remove device option should be on the Edit device page.
  • The new position of Discover on the Routines page is a pain in the bum. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve had the Discover page appear without my wanting it.
  • The + menu on the Routines shouldn’t bring up Create routine immediately. On every other page it is used it brings up a menu. It should give a choice between creating a Routine, bringing up the page of templates, bringing up Smart Lighting, and bringing up the SmartApps.
  • There shouldn’t be a sodding great + button on the page to create categories. That should be either be in the menu I suggested above, or it should be dealt with on the Category page. I’ve pressed it too many times already.
  • Let us create and retain empty categories.

Just need to qualify that last comment.

If you attempt to create a Category and do not have at least one Routine ticked as being a member the Done text is greyed out, so it can’t be created as empty. Similarly you can’t edit a Category and save it as empty, you can only Delete it. That is what I was getting at.

However if you only have one Routine in a Category and delete the Routine itself (rather than removing it from the Category) then you will end up with an empty category.

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The summary tiles are in a right mess as the moment. On my main Location the Lights being used are unrelated to the settings. On a secondary Location there aren’t any lights listed in the settings, and if you go to the Home Insight Settings there isn’t even a Lights section.

Ikea Vallhorn Motion Sensor is Offline .

I used ST App Diagnostics to diagnose the problem.

ST App Diagnostics is now showing also Connection map.
The map is of course pretty useless because it doesn’t tell you what device Vallhorn is communicating through.
Edit: Maybe it’s possible to get device name if you know how to use diagnostics too. See @Mariano_Colmenarejo next post. I also read the instructions from ST App but it didn’t help.

ST AI resolved the cause of the failure: Device isn’t responding to you hub

It would be great if ST AI could also solve the device through which the communication takes place. It’s pretty easy for me because the only Zigbee router device in this Zigbee mesh is Ikea Outlet.

However, this is a good start.

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