It’s been like that since 2 minutes after the announcement in Facebook (a few hours ago).
More than that, the combination of a keypad, plus entry/exit delays, plus z-wave just might be enough to get me to change to Ring and ditch the ST.
I love ST, don’t get me wrong, but if the Ring z-wave is even close to ST, it will be hard for me to not make the change since I’m already looking at picking up some more Ring cameras.
that is disapointing to hear. really need to find a keypad solution that just easily works and the delay function is exactly what most of us have been wanting for quite some time.
Will be taking a close look at the Ring system if the keypad (or similar alternative) is not supported by SmartThings soon. The delay function alone may be worth the price of switching, which looks to maybe be around $200 for the hub and keypad. That’s much cheaper than the new ADT SmartThings pad, which is not available as a standalone purchase.
It’s already on Best Buy’s website:
- Hub + 2x keypad + 2x motion + 3x door + range extended = 300
- Hub + keypad + motion + door = 200
- Base = 120
- Keypad = 50 (that’s a steal, especially if it works with ST)
There are two keypads available now which work well with SmartThings using custom code. A zigbee one from Centralite sold under the Lowe’s iris and Xfinity brand names, and a zwave one from BeNext sold in the US under the Zipato name. The Lowe’s Iris one is frequently available on sale for about $25 and is quite popular.
The only thing about the Iris is that it doesn’t fare well in weather. Ask me how I know.
Yes I could make a box, but that would require work.
You can buy an enclosure box. The following is just an example, you should be able to find a less expensive one at a local electrical supplies outlet.
You trouble my wallet sir.
$16 keypad ( on sale right now at Lowe’s) plus a $19 enclosure box is still less than $40
I will return this favor when you are least expecting it and at a time most convenient to you. Good day.
In all seriousness, I can barely get time to tweak my settings some days, but I’m bookmarking this. I already have the keypad and I like the box you linked. Thanks.
The attractive feature of the Ring Protect Keypad is the 30-second delay to use as a security touchpad to set before exiting the house. It’s a feature that many have wanted for a long time and would go a long way to making the SmartThings system “work” better for my wife (and others entering/exiting my home) without the SmartThings app connected to my system.
Has anyone been sucessful at making ANY of the keypads work with a delay function reliably, while still having a PIN of some kind required to operate? That is what SmartThings is missing in the “lineup” of available products.
Yes, but we’re getting pretty off-topic for this particular thread. Just go to the other link that I posted above, then go to the threads that have the device type handlers and you can talk to the people who have those devices and ask about delays. There are several ways that people are implementing delays, but ask there and they’ll be glad to explain.
I agree 100%. It seems very odd to me that there still isn’t an officially compatible keypad and separately that smart Home Monitor doesn’t include entrance/exit delays. Both are very useful. But that question has been raised for two years, including in forum conversations with the company CEO, and for whatever reasons it just doesn’t seem to be a priority.
The keypad situation is the reason I installed Abode a few weeks ago. For anyone else wanting a keypad and considering adding a separate system alongside ST, here are my immediate thoughts after using Abode a few weeks compared to simply adding a keypad to ST/SHM:
- Has been 100% reliable in detecting presence (vs occasional failures on ST/SHM)
- Supports guest PIN’s
- Cellular Backup available
- Short Term professional Monitoring available (3-day and 7-day)
- Keypad is wireless, but batteries last many years
- Proper entry/exit delays with beeps
- Phone alarms use a distinct sound instead of normal ringtone
- BONUS: I was able to solder existing wired sensors into wireless door sensors
- $300 system plus $80 for keypad
- Cellular backup is $10/month vs $5/month for Nest Secure
- Armed status on keypad is not instantly intuitive for guests/nannies
So it was a little expensive, but there were many benefits besides just a keypad. Nest Secure and Ring Protect both seem to require an AC adapter for their keypad which would not work for my front door. I have not found info on whether Ring Protect supports geo-fencing and cellular backup. On the other hand, both of those keypads have intuitive status indicators.
(Regarding the reliability of presence in ST: As many others have said, it’ll incorrectly show people as Away/Home or it’ll show everyone’s presence correctly but fail to arm/disarm (very uncool because siren is in master bedroom!). Problem seems to be no immediate or ongoing verification of modes and routines, otherwise it would correct itself eventually. By comparison, CoRE can be used to periodically check if the Modes are out of whack)
Here’s the thing though, any custom code run exclusively in the cloud, meaning any network issues render the keypad useless.
Having a keypad with delays native to it (ie, the Ring one) means that it’s more likely that the code will all be executed on the hub itself (provided ST/Ring allow that to be part of the API that is eventually integrated into ST).
Since the current official Ring integration doesn’t run locally, there’s no reason to think that a new ring device integration would run locally either.
Right now, the only code that runs locally are some specific stock device type handlers which are distributed to all customers in the hub’s firmware. Everything else runs in the cloud, even official integrations.
Usually the alarm system has the delays, the keypad is just another hardware device. Sometimes the keypad is built into the main system control panel. To date no keypads are supported by Smartthings and any community supported devices are always in the cloud.
The forthcoming ADT/Smartthings and Ring systems will likely have local keypads specific to those systems. The abilility to use these keypads as ST Devices while connected to their base system is unknown, but I’m feeling the chances are slim to none. However, it may be possible to connect a Ring Keypad directly to ST if someone can develop a Device Handler.