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Extra SHM mode options?

(Arn B) #11

Some threads are about two locations with one hub. Yes, all old threads, just some ideas. SHM could really use “Zones”.

#12

Yes, but all the ones about two locations and one hub are about Geofencing for presence. Not sensors for intrusion detection. As I mentioned, you can’t split the devices that are connected to a single hub directly (zwave or zigbee) into multiple locations.

(Arn B) #13

IMHO, for the OP to do this easily with ST, a second HUB is needed.

#14

I would respectfully disagree: That would just give you the same problem in reverse, because there are times when the OP does want all of the sensors to report together.

The use of modes and custom notifications will solve the OP’s use case for many setups, it just depends on the details.

The custom smartapp “smart alarm“ which existed before the official smart home monitor, had zones, for example. And Mike Maxwell’s zone manager can also create zones. And you can also use Mike’s zone manager with SHM custom notifications.

There are several different ways to do this, but a second hub is normally only considered if there’s a range issue in getting devices connected to the original hub, and that’s not the problem here.

(Ray) #15

You can create virtual motion sensors and sync them with your gym motion sensors. Use the virtual sensors in SHM instead of the real sensor. Put in a restriction for the virtual sensors to sync with the real sensors in all mode except gym mode. Also set a rule to have the virtual sensors go inactive when mode switches to gym.
That’s the only way I think will work if you still want to use SHM.

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(Arn B) #16

Hmmm
I already have motion sensors, a simulated sensor, a contact sensor, and an SHM interface on my SHM Delay app’s Delay Profiles. All I need to add is a preference “Ignore motion sensors in these modes” and perhaps a “Ignore contact sensor in these modes” and some logic to test the preferences.

My question: If I add this would anyone use it?

(Mavrrick) #17

I think there are a few questions about this setup that still need to be answered. One of which is simply what kind of security setup is he using. Did he/she implement a perimeter based setup or one primarily based on motion.

When you think about alarms normally there is only a need for three states and they have nothing to do with location it is about presence. Your armed/home or armed/stay is used to disable motion sensors and lean on a perimeter based setup for protection. Armed/a way is simply turn on everything for detection for intrusion including motion sensors. Then of course disarmed.

If you think about it simply as presence there is nothing saying armed stay shouldn’t be used regardless of weather the op is in the gym or main home structure. The only problem with it is if there is a concern the home protection is inadequate without the other sensors. If that is the case though I would suggest upgrading the sensors to improve perimeter protection.

Adding a second hub for the gym could be a very reasonable solution as well as. Having it’s own SHM setup could allow for the added flexibility the op wants though it would mean a separate setup to maintain. I would guess that there is a decent chance it would work pretty well without to much hacking to maintain. Some devices that are cloud based can even be seen by two hubs. I had a WEMO plug for instance attached to a ADT Security panel hub and a Nvidia Shield Link hub. It seemed to work fine. That won’t work for Zwave or Zigbee devices, but could work for cloud based stuff

With all that we are talking about smart things and I am sure a way can be figured out to send notifications, it is likely going to be either custom rules in SHM, or notifications completely outside of it.

The easiest solution will likely be to use two hubs each with their own SHM, but I would still argue if you have good perimeter based security simply use armed stay though.

(Arn B) #18

Although not clearly stated, it seems to me SHM Custom Rules has the ability to setup “Zones” by:

  1. Setup a “custom defined mode” the IDE
  2. Remove the Zones’ Contact and Motion sensors from SHM Security
  3. Add the Contact and Motion sensors to Custom Rules
  4. In each Custom Rule -> More Options --> Only when mode is:
    Check all modes other the “custom defined mode” in the IDE
  5. Set notifications and alerts
  6. When access to the Zone is desired, set the “custom defined mode”

Will this work, or am I missing something?

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#19

That works, but only if you no longer want to use those sensors in the regular (non-custom) SHM alerts.

That becomes important because I believe only the regular alerts will run locally and if you are using the official Scout integration ( which ignores custom alerts).

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(Arn B) #20

In my case it would not appear to matter since everything is already in the cloud, except for Alert with Lights.

From IDE-> Location-> Installed SmartApps.

(Mavrrick) #21

I think the reason most of your stuff is cloud based is because they probably use SHM Delay, and that is dependent on that virtual sensor which wouldn’t be a local resource.

We also need to remember it looks like SHM is completely rewritten for the new smartthings app. I don’t even remember seeing a way to setup a custom rule in the new app.

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(Arn B) #22

As much as I want to take a look at the new app, I have not installed it because I’m concerned I will destroy my current setup or screw up my log in, plus I’ve not been informed to change. Is it safe to install both apps?

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(Mavrrick) #23

Honestly I have heard many people swear up and down you shouldn’t, I think I probably screwed myself up a while agowithout realizing it.

The Samsung connect(new app) comes preloaded on many Samsung phones so I already had it setup and loaded without even realizing it. I also only really started to experiment once smartthings was brought to the Nvidia Shield with the Smartthings link adapter. Now I have jumped head first in with an ADT smartthings panel.

There are some very noticeable gaps with the new app. They are very obvious if you are use to loading custom stuff through the IDE. It does appear though that they are making good progress. Just a few days ago all of my ADT sensors starting reporting properly through the new app.

If you didn’t do it by accident I wouldn’t do it. It can be little quirky. If you do try it do as little changes in the new app as possible.

(Arn B) #24

I’m hoping for a very slow implementation of Samsung Connect. Play Store states:
“This app is incompatible with all of your devices.”:weary:

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(Joel W) #25

This whole thing has me concerned. What will work, and what will not? I have a hunch lots will not. ST says no everything will work for at least the near future. But ST seems to be in a rush to implement this.

(Mark) #26

I’m not sure what there is to be concerned about. Not yet at least.

ST staff members have said the classic app will stick around until there’s feature parity with the new app.

#27

ST staff members Have also publicly said there would be a migration tool from hub V1 to V2, that the Bluetooth radio would be turned on, that there would be a USB dongle integration with 2016 Samsung smart televisions, that there would be local support for a button controller other than the minimote, And that the app would work with voiceover.

I know they always believed that when they said it, but none of that happened, and at this point I believe it when I see it. Just sayin’… :wink:

(Mark) #28

Fair enough. I’m not sure I believe them either. Not that I think they’re lying, just that clearly someone at Samsung makes decisions that end up overruling their best intentions.

I guess I mean, IMHO, there’s little point in worrying about something that may or may not happen, and we don’t have much control over anyway.

(Arn B) #29

This all feels eerily similar to Gavin Belson’s Signature Box 3 from the HBO Series “Silicon Valley”
hooli.xyz/assets/SignatureBox3.pdf

Should you not want to open the PDF, this is the text.

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. - Hooli today announced plans to develop and launch its next
installment of their data storage Box series. The Box project will be known as the Gavin
Belson Signature Box 3. The Gavin Belson Signature Box 3 will replace the Hooli Box 1,
which remains one of the most successful hardware devices in Valley history.

Under previous CEO Jack Barker, Hooli had plans to release the Hooli Box 2, but due to
manufacturing setbacks and an overall failure of leadership, that project was
discontinued. Hooli has opted to move forward in the name of technological advancement
with the revolutionary Gavin Belson Signature Box 3.

While details and full specs won’t be unveiled until its launch, Hooli CEO Gavin Belson
says, “This isn’t your grandfather’s data storage box. The Signature Box 3 is the result of
my history of innovation, and Hooli’s refusal to play it safe.”

#30

Example using new SmartThings Cloud API!

Groovy based coding officially not deprecated, but may lose access to new features, so it is bound to eventually die off.