Associating the WT00Z and the WS15Z-1?

withay · January 23, 2018, 5:22pm

Hello! New refuge from Vera here. I’m slowly but surely getting SmartThings working for me.

I have a light above my stairs. I have a WS15Z at the bottom of my stairs, and a WT00Z at the top (I actually have TWO sets for two different stairs). With Vera in the web interface I assigned the WT00Z to a group, and I could turn on/off the stairway light with either switch. Push top: On. Push bottom: Off. I think the second floor stairs was group 1, the first floor group 2.

I can’t do that with SmartThings. What I HAVE done: I had SmartThings discover all the switches. Then I did an association that has the WT00Z turning off (and "turn off as well) the WS15Z.

This… Kind of works? The WS15Z turns on and off the light, as it should.

But the WT00Z - it will turn OFF the light if the light is ON. But if the light is OFF, I have to press the bottom of the paddle (off) and then press the top (on) to turn it on. It’s a bit annoying and not meeting the spouse test.

In reading these forums, it looks like some people have used a Minimote to achieve this. I don’t mind buying one if it will help me achieve what I want, but, am I right in assuming that I’ll use the Minimote to associate the WT00Z and the WS15Z, and then the Minimote will effectively just sit in a drawer somewhere (because I don’t tend to use remotes for anything)? Again, if I can achieve what I want, that’s fine, I just want to know for sure.

JDRoberts · January 23, 2018, 5:23pm

You used to have to use the minimote, but now you can just use the community – created “Z wave tweaker”. to set associations for any mains powered Z wave device. It’s very cool.

You will just temporarily assigned your device to the Z wave tweaker device type handler. That will expose all the configurable parameters, including the association groups.

Set the configuration the way you want, then switch back to your regular DTH and everything should work fine. You no longer need to buy an additional device.

[BETA] Z-Wave Tweaker Community Created Device Types

#Z-Wave Tweaker Version: 0.08 (2017-03-16) Source: https://github.com/codersaur/SmartThings/tree/master/devices/zwave-tweaker This is a device handler to assist with interrogating and tweaking Z-Wave devices. It’s designed for end-users who want to tweak their devices and for developers who want to quickly discover and report the functionality of new devices. It is intended to temporarily replace a device’s normal device handler. Key features in v0.08: Discover association groups, multi-channel endpoints, and configuration parameters. Configure association group members from the SmartThings GUI. Configure parameter values from the SmartThings GUI. Configure Protection and Switch_All modes from the SmartThings GUI. Discover supported meter/alarm/notification/sensor report types. Autom…

withay · January 23, 2018, 5:52pm

Oh great thanks!!! I’m seriously inexperienced at any of this (so, what’s DTH stand for?) so I’m going to have to really read and study all of this. But every new thing learned… Is a new thing learned!

JDRoberts · January 23, 2018, 6:15pm

This will explain both the terms and the process

FAQ: An Overview of Using Custom Code in SmartThings FAQ

So you're new to SmartThings, you asked a question, and someone suggested "custom code" as an answer. Or you were browsing the forums, and you found something that sounded like it would be perfect for what you wanted, but again, "uses custom code." What does that mean, how hard is it to do, and what's the difference between a "SmartApp" and a "Device Type Handler"? (Note: the official terminology has changed a couple of times. "device type handler," "device handler," "DTH," and "device type" all mean the same thing, and you will find all these terms used in the forums.) SECTION I: SMARTAPPS AND DEVICE HANDLERS: WHAT THEY ARE SmartAPPS: Tiny Programs to decide what a specific device should do when, or to collect the information from a specific device SmartApps, including the var…

withay · January 23, 2018, 6:26pm

EEEEExcellent, thank you!

JDRoberts · January 23, 2018, 6:48pm

You might also find the technical welcome letter in the community – created wiki of interest.

http://thingsthataresmart.wiki/index.php?title=Welcome_FAQ

withay · January 23, 2018, 6:48pm

Bread crumbs… I should have brought bread crumbs…

withay · January 25, 2018, 1:24pm

Hehe wow @JDRoberts I’ve been reading, studying, and learning for a couple days now! Thanks for the resources! There’s SO MUCH to sort through! I’ll figure it out though - the information is there, it’s just a matter of me separating it!

withay · January 29, 2018, 3:11pm

Oh my aching head. I’ve done… Things. I’m sorry @JDRoberts but I may need a little hand-holding. I’m working on this, and also getting a smart app for my alarm system set up, and it’s all code stuff that I’ve never done, and I’m frustrated and distracted, and now I’m a bit lost.

So to the right of my switch it now says “TWEAKER” and when I click on it - it looks like THIS:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1R2mjFlu65KCFkXwmWG_kA2TOZbcYDcDD

I clicked each one as I was directed. But I’m not quite sure what to DO with all that information. Anyway, I guess I’m up to the actual “DO IT!” part… but I’m so overwhelmed… I need to associate, and I need to select… one of the switches (the one that I want to turn the other switch on? The actual other switch?) and give it a group? Or a hexadecimal?

I KNOW I can do this, but I REALLY could use a good slap in the face and some help.

JDRoberts · January 29, 2018, 3:37pm

Ask for tweaker help in the tweaker thread. Since I rely on text to speech, I can’t really help with any of the detailed code parts.

But as a general guideline, the zwave association settings are set in the trigger device so it will know which messages to send to which target devices when.

The target devices just respond to the basic commands which are sent, they don’t care which trigger Device sent it.

withay · January 29, 2018, 3:38pm

Oh ok. I’ll keep at it a bit. Thank you!