The End of Groovy Has Arrived

15 October 2022. Status page reports a platform outage:

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For me, my schlage lock doesn’t seem to report event anymore

Is there a way to see if we are migrated yet or not ?

Two ways to check….

  • in IDE if the device displays Placeholder then it is using an Edge Driver or is a cloud to cloud integration using the new architecture.

  • in ST app, open the device, tap More Otpions (3 dots in the upper right) and if you see Driver listed in the submenu them it is using an Edge Driver. It does not appear in the su menu if the device is not using an Edge Driver.

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What is the plan for HomeSeer switches with scene control, and double tap, etc?

Ask Homeseer support.

So far they have said they are working on edge Drivers for the series 200 and above devices, but not the older devices which are no longer sold.

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10 posts were merged into an existing topic: Leaving SmartThings

Here I also have no big Problems unti now. All my plugs, switches , curtains automations, lights and sensors are working perfect. Everything with Edge. I think I will only loose my Eutronic Air Quality Sensor. Here no Edge Driver exist , and zur normal Z-Wave driver do not work. Maybe in future.

Does anyone who waited to see what would happen have any new placeholders or things yet? No changes on my end yet.

Same. New firmware coming starting tomorrow so I’d not expect anything before that completes rollout.

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My Arlo cameras have now stopped sending motion detection to Smarthings AND Sharptools.
They were showing as placeholder in the IDE but now show Arlo Pro Camera.
This is fairly serious as without motion detection , no routines can be used that get triggered by camera motion !
They DO still report motion to the arlo app itself…
Anyone else seeing this?
EDIT…I just deleted the arlo/smarthings link and set it up again…
Now all arlo cameras show as PLACEHOLDER again but now there are 2 of each one , and one of them now detects motion in smarthings !
I have now had to also remove the sharptools link…remake it, and then re-add each device to the rules I had already created …BUT its working…(for now)
Hope that helps somebody with the same issues…

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But they did announce the Routine Creator, which although only a Beta was communicated as a solid plan last year -

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He was one of the primary people working on Rules API. He laid the groundwork, the webcore dev community has chosen to not use it and has moved on to other platforms.

Samsung has done a very bad job with explaining how to use the new environment. I thought I was going to need to use Lua to code the new pieces but then found out it was for drivers.

The Rules API does not allow me to go to the web to interact with other sites. It has a goofy verbose coding syntax. If they hid that syntax behind WebCore they would be in a better position I think.

Whether Samsung promised something or not at this point is not important. They dropped the ball and their platform will be seen as very limited. Maybe the numbers are small so they don’t care.

I want my home automation in one environment. If I am going to do some of my automations in HASSIO Node-Red I might as well do them all. For simple stuff the routines are fine.

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This is what I was hoping for.

Having used both Hubitat and Home Assistant, both of those systems have front ends that let you build complicated rules while hiding the super technical stuff.

I’ve worked as an Enterprise developer for 30+ years.
I “could” dive into the Rules API and come up more complex rules that the Routine editor currently doesn’t provide, but I honestly don’t feel like I should need to do that for what I’m trying to accomplish.

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yes! This is the most disappointing part of this transition. It seems they had a working beta of a complex rules builder using the rules API and then…nothing. This would have been a GREAT tool for those moving off of webcore that found the Routine builder in the mobile app too limiting. Unfortunately both of the people in that video that discussed it are no longer with SmartThings :frowning:

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Now that the official drivers will be getting installed… should I leave the SmartThings Drivers (Beta) channel?

A new phone (listed under Get your Location from this phone) now appears as ‘placeholder’ on the IDE, but doesnt seem to actually work to change the location mode. The previous phone was always flaky - I miss the presence sensor - so I dont know if its just an Android thing or related to these changes. Some Hue bulbs just re-added havent changed on the IDE.

I find Android updates frequently break presence ability of the apps themselves.

The last few versions of Android now do things like:

  • If an app isn’t loaded frequenty, permissions given at install will eventually be removed. You have to manually opt out of this for each application within a permission manager Settings panel.
  • Put apps to sleep more often. You have to jump thru hoops to make sure certain apps can stay running in the background. Especially “power and network” hungry apps like ones that need to report presence via wifi access point detection and GPS.

Hi, @Geoffs, @pc-bjorn, @eric182 .
Do you know the device fingerprints of the ones with the issue, please?

I searched the model IM6001 and this one matched:

Hi! No, if you already installed drivers in that channel and added devices to them, it means those devices are already migrated. Devices that are still pending will get the closest driver, it means, if you have a compatible driver already installed, they will be migrated to it.
The drivers in this channel are up-to-date :smiley: