Say I want to know what Smart Apps I have installed (not my created apps but all apps in my system) and what devices/things those Smart Apps are influencing in the system and all other constraints of the app. Where in the mobile App am I able to see this relationship grouped by Smart App? Where in the IDE am I able to see this information?
I would have to say this is the single most frustrating lack of data I can point out.
If there is a way to view this data in a single, easy to understand layout then I am unaware of it. If this view does exist please point me in the correct direction.
Although I agree and I love to tinker, that wonāt fly for the majority of consumers. (read: not people who would come to this community) However, an inexpensive tablet/phablet with some sort of mount for an electrical box might do the trickā¦which is basically what the Relay is. The reason I like the relay is you donāt loose switches when you install it. That is important since if you want this to be installed by consumers it needs to be a minimal installation.
@bravenel, you are correct that the IDE does show all apps. However, that is only part of the issue as it does not list all things associated with it until you dig in a lot deeper. That is unless there is a view that I am missing.
One way to show a useable list would be to list all apps and rules/If, then statements as headers and then have those headers be expandable to show the controlled things or other associated apps and rules. One could then add or subtract things to those apps and rules as desired right from the IDE instead of the mobile app.
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It also happens to be that if you wish to uninstall any Device, you must first remove that Device from any SmartApps that refer to it. In a few cases this means uninstalling the SmartApp.
If you are replacing one connected lightbulb with another, for example, each SmartApp needs to be individually reconfigured ā¦ there is no search and replace Device Reference. (Or SmartThingscould implement this by providing a Replace Device function in addition to just Remove and Add.
This is becoming a bigger and bigger issue as some folks have lots of Devices and lots of SmartApps installed.
Hopefully it will come. I made that same feature request back in October, anticipating me swapping out motion sensors around the house for testing. I could see that as new motion sensors with better features came out (re: Fibaro!!!), then I might want to rotate the sensors around the house, placing the new ones in locations that already have sensors.
Appreciate the post, btw. I am a new ST user having only 14 devices at the moment, I have 30 arriving tomorrow, many are z-wave devices from monoprice, GE, and Aeon. I already have the Aeon multisensors and have them mounted at my entry and back door. They seem to be fairly accurate if not a little too sensitive (my US and TX flags hanging outside my house set off the motion sensor on the front unit so will be turning down sensitivity again). I notice that the temp variances between the two are ~4-8 but since my house faces East, I expect as much as temps in the summer can range from 95 at the front to 110 F on West side.
My Insteon garage door opener with open/close sensor seems to work just fine as do my Schlage Camelot locks, though Iād like to see better integration with them like the Nexia system offers (I did not pay for that service.)
As far as the dashboard goes, I donāt see it as being that slow. I have the ST apps loaded on the following devices: old iPhone 4 (primary control), an iPod, two LG G4 android phones, two LG G pad LTE tablets, and an iPad v1, v2, and two v3. I am not seeing any delay in refresh, but letās see when I have 50 devices on the system. I would like to have more info on the dashboard, ie. the name I gave the devices showing so I know which motion sensor or multi sensor or door lock is which without opening the config menu. One big complaint is that they donāt have a useful IPAD app, this seems like the most logical and best way to control this system from inside the house and give a better overview of the current status of systems. (HINT HINT dev dudesā¦)
All in all, I am happy so far, Iāll see how it goes over the next couple weeks as I grow the system even more.
@alex Thanks for taking the time to respond to us here. As an 18-month user of SmartThings Iām happy to see how far itās come but still frustrated at the issues. Like most, I wonāt repeat what others have said, but Iāll let you know Iām experiencing much of the same. Here are the main issues for me that keep coming up:
Things donāt always respond in their tile/ grouping and I have to go into the Things category in order to control it. My WeMo plug and GE Link bulbs are prime examples. The dashboard will tell me the WeMo is on when itās not and the only way to get the status updated is to refresh it in the Things section. My Link bulbs donāt turn off after 1-minute like they should. Doesnāt work via the Lights dashboard group, I have to do it in Things.
I know @Ben has talked about it before, but when is Nest support coming? Iāve found the current dev integration lacking at best. I know data retention was a big sticking point but itās frustrating that I get better Nest control from my Pebble than I do with my ST system.
Speaking of Pebble, I think an official Pebble app would go far in helping with control. Iām using a buggy-at-best oAuth dev Pebble app to control lights when I need to, but this is something you guys should really code up and get out there. However, I know this may not fly given Samsungās Gear watches.
One thing I donāt like about the Dashboard is the āmake it yourselfā rules and triggers for items. Itās easy for me to lose sight of what happens when with things, especially when I need to see WHY something happened. This is especially present when a light turns off after a timeout, but AFTER the mode has changed when lights shouldnāt be triggering (morning mode into daytime mode). I have no list of triggers / actions to help me know what is happening. Combine that with all the apps and itās a hot mess.
A method needs to be developed that lets us remove & add things to our system without needing to remove the apps first. If I have an issue with my kitchen light, removing it from all apps can easily take 10-20 minutes. Then I have to edit them all AGAIN to add it. A wizard of sorts is desperately needed in order to fix this. Better yet, it should poll all apps using the thing, remove it from all, remove/re-pair, then use that list to re-add the thing back into the apps. Iām sure thereās some big logic involved in this, but asking us geeks to do this is a PITA so asking the average customer to do this is absolutely out of the question.
Alright, thatās my 2 cents and I hope you do read this. I love the system and the doors itās opened but at the end of the day I have the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) to deal with and when things get too much of a pain, then this becomes more of a job and less of an enhancement to my home. Thanks!
