Life after the IDE: Questions and Answers

Everything has now been paused, the latest date is 1st quater 23, so no need to panick about 31st

Q: Where to check Zigbee routing?

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A: at the time of this posting, it will not be available after IDE is terminated. Whether it will be at some point in the future is unknown.



How can I see live logging of a device that is using an edge driver?


@philh30 , a community developer, has instructions in his github for how to do this kind of live logging. You will need to have a laptop running the CLI (command level interface, a programmer tool for the new architecture).

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Question: How do I add a room?

Answer: use and select the plus sign in the upper right:

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You can also add a room in the “Manage Room” tab which is reachable at the bottom of the room selection dropdown. Simply click on the + sign.

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3 posts were split to a new topic: How can I add more than 20 rooms?

QUESTION: How can I reboot the hub remotely without the IDE?

ANSWER: this option was added to the advanced page of the new web interface in last July.


ST Wi-Fi (Plume) hubs have the ability to be rebooted from the ST app. Select hub-> Network Status-> Select hub/sub-hub->3 dot menu-> Reboot device.

Don’t know about the Connect Home hubs.

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Making a call to the new API to see IDE pages is easy enough, as is running the command to reboot the hub as the IDE does (it is a POST). Doing the latter with the required authentication is not so easy, and if it is possible then it exceeds my current capabilities and my willingness to push my curiosity further. I would hope there is a ‘new’ approach on the horizon.


Question: how do you run a zwave repair without the IDE?

Answer: it’s available in the smartthings app as an option under the hub.

FAQ: Zwave Repair from the ST app (June 2022)


Where can we see the hub events without the IDE?
By example, I’m using it to see the catchall message in order to find the zigbee network id, of hard to pair device, and pair them manually

Believe that the IDE is the only place to currently see hub history.

I’d love to know two things.

How can I get back to where I was before SmartThings trashed my setup? It been a month+ and I’m nowhere close. Do NOT say contact support a s all I get from them is delete and reinstall your app and give them control. Worthless!

How can I install a virtual momentary/on-off switch? Don’t say in the app under Labs as I have an iPhone and that doesn’t exist in that app.

It depends whether you have a smartthings/Aeotec hub or not. If you do, then there is a community-created edge Driver for virtual devices which has a lot of options, including momentary. Please ask any further questions about that in the author thread:

[ST Edge] vEdge Creator: a virtual device generator for end users

If you don’t, there are still some options, which are in the FAQ which I gave you earlier today in one of your other threads, so you may not have seen it yet. So here it is again:

FAQ: Creating Virtual Devices with the new architecture (Without the IDE) (2023)

If there is not an actual momentary option, you may have to use a routine to turn the virtual device off again after it has been turned on each time. That works, but the minimum time will range from a few seconds to a minute, so a little slower than an actual momentary device. But still workable for many use cases.

If you want to discuss these options further, please start your own discussion thread so we can go into the details of your specific use cases. The general list of resources for anyone interested in virtual devices without the IDE is already available in the FAQ above, so that covers it as far as this thread is concerned.

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5 posts were split to a new topic: How to add more than 10 locations without IDE?

Thats only up to 10 locations.

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Q. How can I find out how many edge drivers are already installed on my hub?

Q. How can I tell which of my devices are using which edge driver?

A. (To both questions)

Or use the advanced features of the new official SmartThings web interface:

Question: How do I force remove a broken zwave device now?

Answer: although there are multiple methods for doing this now, the easiest it’s just to do it in the smartthings mobile app:

this question is about removing a Device which is actually physically inoperable. If instead you have a Z wave device that you think is working, but you just want to remove it from your account and add it back again, you do need to make sure to complete the exclude step as well.

Question: how can I see route information for a zwave device?

Answer: A community member has created a special edge driver that will allow you to get the most recent route for any Z wave device. You will download it to your hub, temporary switch your device to it, get the report, and then switch back to your regular edge driver.

It is possible that changing edge drivers will cause any routines that use this device to be marked in pactive or even maybe deleted, so use with caution and an understanding of possible consequences.