GE/Jasco 45631 Keypad/Controller


(Chrisb) #1

Has anyone tried this item?

It looks like it fits in a normal outlet/switch area and has four buttons plug 4 funtion items. I’m curious it if will interact with SmartThings and what you can do with it. Any experience would be great. Thanks!


Is GE 45631 Z-WAVE WIRELESS KEYPAD CONTROLLER
Wireless, Battery Operated Wall Switch
Who makes the BEST Z-Wave dimmer? (Leviton, GE, Linear, Cooper)
Aeon Labs Minimote with SmartThings?
(Solardave1) #2

I assume you could set it up as a secondary controller. There’s another thread on here somewhere on functionality and limitations in doing that.


(Solardave1) #3

Found the thread - @cosmicpuppy said:

To the best of my knowledge, this could only be a ”secondary controller” for your Z-Wave devices.
And, also to my knowledge, there is no ”good way” to have this do anything functionally relevant to the SmartHub.
But that could change pretty quickly. I have my hub recognizing a similar GE remote; but it can only deal with events from this remote if the event triggers a command message BACK from a Z-Wave thing (e.g., switch turns on).

–>If anyone has played with ST and secondary controllers, please jump in here. The price is right on something like the 45631.

–>(Need a search function for the forums).


(Chrisb) #4

Thanks for the info SolarDave! I appreciate the help.


(Solardave1) #5

No prob. Keep everyone posted if you manage some functionality out of the device. It’s a nice alternative in situations where its not cost effective to mount a tablet, even a cheap Chinese android one on the wall.


(Dan Lieberman) #6

@solardave1 - There’s some basic search functionality available by clicking the magnifying class icon in the upper right corner.


(Sigmund93) #7

It can be used, but only as a secondary controller and only to control other zwave devices. The lights in my living room use GE zwave outlets and I use the GE 45631 mounted by the door to turn them off when leaving the house. There is a message in another thread by me showing how I added the remote to smarthings. You do need some other GE remote to transfer the settings to the 45631. I used a GE 45600.


How do I go about replacing old double/triple switches with new z-waves?
(Coolcatiger) #8

@sigmund93

Can you please point to your post on how to pair 45631 with ST ? Or copy setting from GE 45600.


(Kirsten27) #9

any progress on wall mounted keypad controllers like this?


(anil somarajan) #10

I just bought this keypad controller and was able to program it without using any remote as a primary. All i did for the first (replication) step was:

  • press add+remove (from instructions)
  • press off buttons 1,2,3,4 (from instructions)
  • when orange light was blinking, i used my android device’s Smartthings app to search for a new device.
  • the app found the controller as a ‘z-wave remote’, and the light flashed green on the controller
  • proceeded as normal to add groups and scenes
    NOTE: the devices i was controlling had already been added to my home network using my Android app.
    I can now control multiple [z-wave outlet connected] lamps in my bedroom using this controller that i placed at the entrance. Works like a charm.

Good luck


Which in-wall Z-Wave remote works best?
(Tom Robinson) #11

doggy: can you use the 45631 to trigger other actions in SmartThings, or only to directly control other Z-Wave devices?


Battery-powered switches and dimmer switches
(anil somarajan) #12

There are 2 modes- groups and scenes.
I can control individual zwave devices using the rockers in group mode.
I haven’t played with the scene mode at all. Lemme try some stuff and get back to u


(Duncan) #13

I never found a way to get this device to send commands to the hub. It uses inclusion to assign devices to buttons and will only include “slave” devices, not controllers. Hopefully someone else will have more luck.

Sadly I think it’s an awesome form factor with terrible firmware that makes it unusable.


(Scott G) #14

Could you create a virtual slave devicetype that could be associated with the controller? Then use the virtual slave to activate actions within ST via a SmartApp?


(Chrisb) #15

Unfortunately, no. A virtual device would only exists in the ST cloud (or perhaps in Hub 2.0’s memory). But these secondary controllers want to talk to a real device. The Hub, as a primary controller, simply doesn’t have the ability to talk to a secondary controller in this manner.


#16

I was able to add the 45631 to my system, but it seems to be picky about what devices it works with - supports Aeon units fine, but will not recognize my Linear WS15Z wall switches. Has anyone run into this and (hopefully) found a way around it? Inquiry in with GE/Jasco Tech Support, but no answer yet.


#17

I have quite a number of GE 45631 installed - controlling wall switches, outdoor modules and plug-in modules. The problem with them is that they will only address nodes 1-32. If you try to address a node >32, the 45631 will look like it adds it and communicates with it, but it will not. I’m guessing that your wall switches were added later in the network, when node # were >32. NOTE: ANYTHING (switches, secondary controllers, repeaters, light bulbs) you put on the zwave network gets a unique node # assigned when you add it . If you remove a device, the node number does NOT get reassigned, so if you add/remove/add devices, you quickly hit node #32. The only solution is to build your system starting with the things you want the 45631 to control, THEN add everything else.


#18

Thanks for the speedy reply, Chuck. I had read up on the Node 32 issue, but I only have 12 devices to date. I did figure out the issue though - I was trying to enroll the Linear WS15Z with a single tap. I had tried Double Tap, but my tapping was too slow. Buddy suggested faster double tap and it worked like a charm. Three 45631 programmed and ready now!


(JimMay3) #19

@ChuckV, does this 32 node issue affect the GE 45600 Remote also? With all the playing around, my ST Hub is issuing z-wave node/device numbers in hexadecimal, thus A0 was the latest, thus way over the 32.

I just got my GE 45631 and haven’t played with it, only experience with the GE 45600 remote, which works great (up to 18 Devices). All seemed was good, so I assume the 32 limit does not affect the 45600. My only issue came up when I changed my high device id’s back to low numbers (01 & 02), then the remote and system seemed to become confused. I could remove and reprogram the remote from scratch and all was good. After reading the manul again I see a few other option to update network and things, so I wondering if after I changes to the id’s, that I should have ran a network update to get the remote loaded with the latest id’s from the hub?

+UPDATED - 2/17/2015 - ADDED REMOTE CLONING SECTION

45600 REMOTE - BASIC SMARTTHINGS SETUP

-Ensure Remote is not already on a Z-Wave Network (Reset/Clear) and to clear all devices from it (if already installed in ST, then use Removal procedure below, prior to Resetting/Clearing remote):
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Type 969, complete when green flashes twice.
-Note that none of the remote on/off buttons flash now (all devices cleared, remote is blank)

-Install (Add) GE 45600 Remote to ST:
-In ST App, +, + Connect New Device, Searching
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Type 967, flashes green rapidly till connected to App/Hub.
-When App says 1 connected, Select Found Item at the Bottom (Z-Wave Remote)
-Name Device “GE 45600 Remote”, Next, Done.
-Note - the All On/Off feature will not work for all Z-Wave devices currently assigned to the ST Hub, see All On/Off Feature below.

-Remove (Delete) GE 45600 from ST:
-In ST App, Things, Select Remote Setup Icon, Preferences, Remove, Uninstall
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Type 967, flashes green rapidly till removed from App/Hub.
-When App says Success, Press OK and item is removed from Things page.
-Always good to perform a Remote Reset/Clear (above).

GE 45600 REMOTE - PROGRAM/ASSIGN DEVICES TO BUTTONS

-Remote must already be setup/assigned to the ST Hub per the above procedures.
-You can program up to 18 buttons, use the Setup/Shift button to access buttons 11-18.

-Setup (Add) Device (Light/Switch) to a Remote button:
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Press Add (Red Blink), Press Light (Red Blink), Press desired Number (flashes green rapidly)
-Press button on actual device, complete when green flashes twice.

-Setup (Remove) Device (Light/Switch) to a Remote button:
-If you press the Delete button vs the Remove button below, you may Delete (Reset the Device to Factory Settings) the device from your ST Hub; to recover the device you may need to force remove it from the App, then Reinstall it again.
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Press Remove (Red Blink), Press Light (Red Blink).
-Press desired Numbered button on the remote to erase the device from (flashes green twice).
-Note that when an unprogramed number button is selected, it will not flash at all.

GE 45600 REMOTE - ALL DEVICES ON/OFF FEATURE

-Allows you to quickly turn all Z-Wave devices assigned to the ST Hub On/Off with one click.
-Strange, but I’ve noticed this will work all Z-Wave devices setup on the ST Hub, whether they were added to the remote or not. Also, it only works for Z-Wave devices, any Zigbee items (Bulbs will not cycle).

-To Turn all On, select All button, then use any numbered button to turn All Z-Wave devices On/Off.
-Remote will stay in All On/Off mode until you press the Setup/Shift button once to return to normal.

-Remove Devices from the All On/Off feature:
-By factory default, all items are automatically added to the All On/Off control, to delete a device from the All On/Off feature:
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Press Delete once (Red Flash), Press All once (Green Flash).
-Press the assigned button of the item you want Removed from the All On/Off Feature (green flashes twice).

-Add Devices from the All On/Off feature:
-By factory default, all items are automatically added to the All On/Off control, to add a device back to the All On/Off feature:
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Press Add once (Red Flash), Press All once (Green Flash).
-Press the assigned button of the item you want Added back to the All On/Off Feature (green flashes twice).

GE 45600 REMOTE - FULL DUPLICATE/CLONE (MAKE A COPY OF A REMOTE)

-If you want a true duplicate remote, ensure you clear/reset the new one prior to transfer, else you will may retain any old devices already stored in the new remote. Prior to transfer, Reset/Clear remote by completing the following:
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Type 969, complete when green flashes twice.
-Note that none of the remote on/off buttons flash now (all devices cleared, remote is blank)
-New Remote into Receive Mode:
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Type 967, flashes green rapidly while waiting and during transfer (will flash red if it times out).
-Original/Old (Functional) Remote into Send Mode:
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Type 9661, flashes green rapidly while waiting and during transfer (will flash red if it times out).

  • Complete when green flashes twice on Both Remotes.

GE 45600 REMOTE - TRANSFER NETWORK SETTINGS (COPY NET INFO WITH NO BUTTON/DEVICE DATA)

-Use this procedure if you want to add a remote by transferring the network info from another, but you do not want the button/device info transferred. This will render a new remote that is functional on the same network, but will not have any buttons/devices transferred from the original remote.
-If you want a blank remote, ensure you clear/reset the new one prior to transfer, else you will may retain any old devices already stored in the new remote. Prior to transfer, Reset/Clear remote by completing the following:
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Type 969, complete when green flashes twice.
-Note that none of the remote on/off buttons flash now (all devices cleared, remote is blank)
-New Remote into Receive Mode:
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Type 967, flashes green rapidly while waiting and during transfer (will flash red if it times out).
-Original/Old (Functional) Remote into Send Mode:
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Type 9662, flashes green rapidly while waiting and during transfer (will flash red if it times out).

  • Complete when green flashes twice on Both Remotes.

GE 45600 REMOTE - PRIMARY CONTROLLER SHIFTS (NOT APPLICABLE WITH SMARTTHINGS)

-Codes 9681 & 9682 are for transferring full primary control from one remote to another (i.e. replacement). Since the SmartThings Hub is the primary controller, these functions have no purpose and will fail if attempted. These programing codes are only useful if you are using a GE 45600 Remote as a Stand-Alone Primary Controller, then you can transfer the same info similar to functions 9661 & 9662.

FACTORY RESET - ANY Z-WAVE DEVICE

-There is a set of Z-Wave Utilities on the App that offer some capabilities, find it under the Hub Setup screen (Options, Setup Gear, Select Hub, then ZWave Utilites, the Device Exclusion option may help you to reset a device.

-The GE45600 Remote is great tool if you are have a pairing issue to a Hub, this will force reset the device to its factory settings; by far, the remote is the most useful reset tool available.
-It seems like some manufactures may test a device at the factory and then forget to reset or unpair the device, thus the new device will block you from pairing it to a new network.
-Once a Z-Wave device is paired, it will not allow itself to be paired to another item unless you reset, but it you reset it you will have a dead device in you ST Hub/App.
-You should always remove all devices from the Hub via the App Things page prior to removing from your system, failure to do so will leave the device paired and a dead device listed on your Hub, you will then need to Force Remove the device from the ST Hub via the App and Factory reset the device per below (Note the Delete button is used below, not the Remove):

-Factory Reset a Device (Light/Switch) via a GE 45600 Remote:
-Hold Setup till Red/Green flash twice.
-Press Delete (Red Blink), Press Light (flashes green rapidly).
-Press button on actual device, reset is complete when green stops flashing.
-Now you can reinstall the device per normal setup via the ST App.


#20

The GE remotes 45600, 45601, ZW5303 DO NOT have the 32 node issue. In talking with folks it appears that the 45631 keypad has the problem because they didn’t have much room inside the low profile unit and they were trying to optimize life of the coin batteries. Since the other GE remotes are larger and are powered by 3 AAA batteries, they were able to include the needed hardware/firmware to address nodes>32