Frustrated by the state of things

Then you definitely won’t like Rule Machine, as it will do a great many things, reliably. :grinning:


LOL, were is the fun in reliable :slight_smile: OK maybe I should try it.

This (“alert when door left open”) function was (also?) a feature of the original Dashboard Solution SmartApps that were no longer installable when App V2 was released. Mine is still running, since I am on Hub V1 and have never uninstalled it yet.

Shame this basic rug was pulled out from under us, even if there are many ways to cover the same floor.

I am so pissed that I deleted it today, it was early and I didn’t have any coffee yet :frowning:

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Is this the “Notify Me When” app?

I think it still exists.

Isn’t it amazing how quickly we “adapt” to new ways of doing things? I think our flexibility is what keeps us going with ST :slight_smile: It used to be this easy (check these pics):

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I don’t think so. That only notifies for “Departure of”, “Smoke Detected”, “Water sensor wet”

Are you implying that the issue is that I am not adapting ? I think that is rude.

I would gladly adapt if things worked. Given that the app he pointed out was wrong it seems and you thought he was right also it seems perhaps you have not adapted yet either.

Hey Ron, a custom instance of SHM is pretty seamless to set up…That’s what I use…

No, no, I was implying that Brian forgot how easy the dashboard used to work…

Afterthought, it may get more PIA to set up if your garage door is not recognized as a “garage door”. Been there. cursed that :slight_smile: But got it working.

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OK, glad I asked :smile:

SHM isn’t working, there is a thread about that. Do you use it to monitor a garage door ?

If so how do you configure to notify you if left open for X min ?
I tried

  1. custom
  2. open/close sensor
  3. select garage door
    4 ) What do you want to monitor
    open - yes
    close - yes
    For how long (minutes) - What does his mean ?

What I used to have was
when door left open for x min report every y min

So if I left the door open for more than 5 minutes I would get a notification and then another every 30min until I closed it.

BTW: why can’t they bring back the dashboard as an optional thing that we can use if we like it. I still have it because I never deleted it but it only works for devices I already had configured. So I am losing it when I need to re-install a device (lost on light switch because of this) and I stupidly deleted the garage monitor today and can not not get it back. But since it was working it means they just need to give us access to the code again.

For how long is actually “after how many minutes”. Hmmm, you can’t set up reminders to notify you every y min… :frowning:

Which isn’ really what I want (or already had). I think I just need to write the smart app. It is relatively easy except for the fact that I need to schedule events to make it work and we all know how wonderfully scheduled events work with ST :frowning:

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That’s the million dollar question I’m sure I asked immediately upon hearing these old Dashboard Solution SmartApps were deprecated without warning (and thus completely unavailable to folks who migrate to Hub V2 or inadvertently delete).

The answer is stubborn myopia. They wanted to clear the way for new Dashboard Solutions and CEO Alex Hawkinson himself said that he’s so glad he had the privilege of migrating his 200+ devices and be forced to totally clean up his Account to take advantage of the new way of doing things with SHM and Smart Lighting; nb: I’m only adding about 10% sarcasm in that paraphrase – ie, he didn’t say “privilege”, but he meant it.

EDIT: Let me be 100% clear: My description of “stubborn myopia” is meant objectively; I’m not making a positive or negative judgement.

Many great tech CEOs (Apple, Uber, Oracle, …) are viewed critically by insiders and outsiders; but the long term results are all that matter.

Yup… Thanks to @SBDOBRESCU, we can quote:

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You are so optimistic :slight_smile: I was my first year on ST also. They may have promised these wonderful new things but I am waiting on promises from over a year ago so I will believe it when I see it. I still don’t understand the concept of removing old functionality BEFORE adding the new technique. We are left unable to do things we had working perfectly before this decision was made.

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I use rule machine to do this with my garage door. This is my programming logic and it works great.

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Maybe this better represents what I am thinking. And there is no optimism here, “the list will expand quickly over the coming days and weeks” Is nothing optimistic when this statement was made in September and we are now in December…And Routines are not able to run locally…

Maybe we should make sure this is clear: The best thing I did when I migrated was (somehow) maintain the dashboard and the rules. I use the garage door functionality along with the alerts daily. If that left me suddenly, I’d be very annoyed. Very.

To an earlier point, why can’t that be brought back? It still works and is immensely useful. I use it more than the rooms and things layout.

@slagle, any thoughts?

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16 weeks is still “weeks”. 52 weeks is still “weeks”.


Well… folks did say that “end of the year” could mean “end of 2016”; and, at least in the above referenced post, Alex did say “do plan”, not “promise”.

I hope everyone on the Community realizes by now that projected timeframe announcements out of SmartThings are meaningless (or, at the very least, subject to definition).

More encouraging would be for SmartThings to realize it is respectful to their Customers to strongly avoid making any timeline announcements. Since the quote above from Alex happened after the 2 to 6 month delay of Hub V2’s own bare bones release, you’d think he would have been more cautious.

But we’re seeing far fewer announcements with release dates now, no?

Let’s hope SmartThings at CES makes extremely vague or pessimistic announcements, that we all can avoid further disappointment and disillusionment … and maybe even swing to the side of being “pleasantly surprised” later in 2016.

=> Because someone would have to admit they were wrong and put some effort into making things right.

NB: I am not saying anyone actually is or was “wrong” … but in order to put back this functionality, it would require that someone value our input sufficiently to accept decide to throw us a bone, take responsibility and be accountable to restore that functionality.

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OK trying Rule Machine but I got stuck on "Select capability"
I don’t see “Garage Door Capability” or even “Door Control” in the list for either “Define Trigger” or “Define Conditions”