FAQ: Confused by "Regular" Hub and "ADT" SmartThings Hub. Need clarification (2019)

One thing to keep in mind is that though you are completely right in that only the ADT sensors can actually notify the ADT call center for alert actions, there are ways to run the system in a non monitored manor with standard smartthings devices. ADT Tools 2 goes a long way in enabling many security functions in that manor.

You are certainly right about the cloud response or often NO response and you get the bluurp sound and have to reenter the code. Of course by then your sirens are all going off and your phones are ringing from Iris!

My concern here is that using the new app does that work?

ADT Tools 2 does work in the new app. Currently any smartapp that is installed from the classic app is also available in the new app. The virtual buttons that are part of the ADT Tools 2 app also work and usable in the new app.

OK, sounds great!

As a new smartthings user I am not using the classic app, and am not going to use it. The hub I bought can only be activated using the new, supported app, and regardless of the thoughts of folks that have been using ther classic app for years, I strongly suspect that it’s days are limited.

So… I won’t be installing any applications or devices that are not supported in full by the Samsung smartthings app.

I was just orphaned by system and venbdor that I put my trust in (IRIS) and will not expose myself to that kind of thing by intentionally using an application that has already been replaced.

That makes perfect sense to me, but following along on that logic, there’s one more bit of bad news.

Remember that I said that smartThings is in the middle of a big transition right now? New hub, new app, new cloud platform.

The new cloud platform isn’t finished yet, but it’s very different.

Right now, just as anyone can write a custom device type handler and add it to their own account, anyone can write a “smart app” in the groovy programming language, add it to their own account, and it will run on SmartThings servers in the SmartThings cloud.

Anything that you “publish to yourself,” including ADT tools 2, is right now written in groovy and running in that cloud.

All of that is going away. We don’t know exactly when, but we do know that it is. :disappointed_relieved:

replacing it is a completely new structure where each developer has to host their own code and then communicate with smartthings through a REST API. That should greatly reduce the processing load on the SmartThings cloud, but it also means that all the great stuff which is already written won’t work anymore. There won’t be a groovy cloud left to run the code. And it’s not at all clear that custom code will have access to the same system variables that it has access to today. We just don’t know yet.

So when that day comes a lot of the stuff that was running won’t run. Maybe some of the developers will have their own servers and either freely or by subscription make that available to other people. Maybe individual customers who want to run custom code will have to operate their own servers. Again, we just don’t know yet.

So if you really want to futureproof your system as much as possible right now, not only should you stick to the new app: you should stick to the new official features. Don’t use anything which requires custom code, even if it “works” with the new app after you install it via the classic app.

And if you really want to evaluate the SmartThings system compared to your own needs, you should evaluate it on the basis of just the official features.

If you’re a coder and you think you will be using the new platform, here’s a discussion thread on that:

But if you’re buying the ADT/smartthings hub model because the official features are insufficient for your needs but you think the community – developed ADT Tools custom code will fill in the gaps, you’re relying on the old groovy platform. So you just need to be aware of that.

I don’t know if @Mavrrick58 is already working on a version that will work on the new platform or not, and if so, whether he expects to host it for everyone or whether he expects each person to run their own server. And I’m not sure at all whether he can make it work on the new platform because of the changes in exposed variables. Obviously those answers could make a difference as well.

Great post!

That is exactly why I am not using the old app, or anything that requires custom DTH’s or smartapps to run properly.

Ok, So you understand that the “ADT tools 2” Smartapp that @Mavrrick58 authored is custom code written by a community member? It’s not part of the official features even though it can run with the new app after you have installed it with the classic app.

Absolutely

Even though the custom code is probably really useful I will not use it only to be dissapointed when it gets disabled.

The trick is, as I think you posted, that potential buyers of smartthings hubs need to evaluate them based on the officially supported devices and functions, not what it used to be, or what they hope it might be in the future.

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Under the premise of only wanting to use things that are guaranteed to work in the future Smartthings environment you both are totally right. The groovy platform is certainly on it’s way out. The question is just when it will happen.

It is unfortunate they are taking the route they are because it will make custom stuff like ADT Tools much more complicated to provide. I honestly don’t know exactly what can be done yet. I have dabbled with it though so it is on my radar. Just not %100 what will be able to be done. I suspect some of the functions may end up being limited.

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As a Lowes Iris refugee, and wIth how deeply discounted SmartThings ADT products are right now and how places like BestBuy have marked some of the sensors as Sold Out instead of letting you back order them, I’d be very concerned about placing trust in the ADT product line.

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The last time Samsung did this was when the v3 hub was coming out with all the new 2018 devices. It was a hard time finding any of the 2015 models. The Best Buy shelves were bare and the employees didn’t know anything.

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Well, to me that would say don’t buy a new ADT hub and sensors until they are replaced by a new model. Without Samsung making a clarification, there is no reason to trust a product that appears to be a discontinued, especially if you are going through all of the work / money to replace an existing discontinued system.

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I agree, there are multiple possible explanations, some good from the customers perspective and some bad, and no real way to tell right now. I would also feel concerned at this moment. :disappointed_relieved:

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For those wondering if the new ADT command system announced at CES would compete directly against the current ADT/SmartThings offering, HomeAlarmReport.com has an in-depth look at the new system which makes it clear that it’s not a DIY competitor. There’s no self monitoring option and it’s much more expensive. Plus you have to sign a three-year contract. That said, it’s going to look good to a lot of people whose primary interest is monitored security.

So does having this mean ADT will think they don’t need to have a smartthings partnership for a DIY offering? That is, are they going to drop the whole idea of a DIY offering? No way to tell yet, but I am a little concerned that the Command panel has so many more features than the one offered through smartthings.

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OK, this looks like a completely different direction for ADT, and could mean the end of the ST line :disappointed_relieved::

Is SmartThings ADT dead? (February 2019) (Lifeshield Acquisition)

With these changes it’s actually somewhat doubtful I’m going to want to get involved with smart things. Unless Samsung comes up with a way to provide monitored service for the ADT smart things devices I’m pretty sure I’m going to be looking elsewhere to replace Iris.

I believe they still offer Scout monitoring via Smart Home Monitor in the Classic app.

Scout is much more limited, though. No cellular connection, no smoke detector monitoring, no battery backup operations with the newest hubs.

Its hard to convince anyone to make an investment when you can only do it from their classic app which is going away…

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