Australia - Tired of waiting


(Luc Perreau) #1

Hi, Im just tired of waiting for the ST Australia release. I am now considering either OpenHAB or a US ST.

If i run a US ST to start off doing simple things like control lights and sense presence, will i lose out much by not having Z-Wave? What if i buy US Z-Wave products?

Please advise.

Thanks :slight_smile:


Getting Started with Z-Wave - Opinions and advice required (Australia)
(Robin) #2

US zwave frequencies in Australia are illegal in afraid… They interfere with other things and infrastructure.

You will find yourself very limited on devices if you just use Zigbee, but it’s probably doable.

I’m not sure, but the ST hub may broadcast zwave frequencies even if no zwave devices are connected, so just having a ST hub turned on in Austraila could be illegal… @JDRoberts may be able to confirm this?

Another option (and again I’m not sure about this, so someone else will need to confirm) is to use Wemo wifi devices instead. If the ST cloud can control wifi devices directly without going via a hub, then you could theoretically use the ST cloud without a hub? I’m not sure if you need a hub to open an account though?

Edit: if it is somehow possible to use the ST cloud without a hub, it would be morally wrong… ST is under-resourced as it is and they would want you to buy into the system… For that reason I assume it’s not possible.


(Luc Perreau) #3

Thanks Robin…i want to avoid the illegal path…dont want the
authorities knocking at my door. :blush:


(David D'monte) #4

Hey Luc,
I’m in Melbourne and I’ve had my ST hub for about 2 weeks now.
say pull the trigger and just import one.
I was hesitant in regards to the whole zwave VS product availablity thing but as of now, this is my setup…
*wemo bulb’s
*google home
*LIFX bulbs
*wemo smart switches with motion detection.
*zen thermostat (yet to be installed)
*Logitech harmony hub
**waiting on my order of mixed xiaomi sensor’s to arrive
( I have a kevo BT lock, not installed yet, wondering if i should sell it to get a zigbee lock so the integration is better or wait until ST push out the BT support.

The only device so far I’m struggling to find is a zigbee garage door opener.
Currently investigating the wemo maker path.

Is there any device which you feel is unavailable in a zigbee version??
would like to hear your thoughts on this subject.

Dave


(Luc Perreau) #5

Hey that sounds awesome David…i think at this stage ur the one who will
be advising me :wink:

Can you advise how best to import one and do i get it with the starter kit?

I need to get moving with this, its dragging for far too long.

Hopefully we can compare notes soon :wink:

Cheers,

Luc


(Bob) #6

Why not get a UK one?


(Luc Perreau) #7

Which one is more suited for Aus? How does it get power anyway? 110v/220v
auto detect supply?

Whats the difference between the US and UK one apart from Z-wave?


(Bob) #8

Difference is as you said, z wave frequency.
I believe the UK and Australia use the same frequency so you will be legal.
Uk is 220. Isn’t AUS the same?
If you do get a UK one you will open yourself up to all the z wave devices that are available.


(David D'monte) #9

Hey Luc,
I was lucky enough to score one on ebay.com for $75US free shipping,
I didn’t bother getting the starter kit as The power adapter is US standard ( wemo switches are compatible and quite cheap at the moment. The presence sensor can be replaced by your mobile phone and the window/motion detectors can easily be replaced with an AU standard device.
Also, I’m sure that all the swann one devices are compatible with the ST hub and reading too much lately the xiaomi sensors are working, and they are dirt cheap. I purchased 9 different sensors for around $100 AUD…
I say if you can just get the hub and extend from there.

As for power to the hub, i just got a US to AU adapter and its working fine.

I might add, jump on the WEMO band wagon ASAP, i picked up 15 globes for $14.40 at bunnings.
Harvey Norman have them for $16 at this moment and can be price matched.
You might hear mixed reviews about the wemo globes, I find them great and very responsive.
I have ordered xiaomi power sockets to see how they go. I found the Wemo power point to be a little buggy with ST, it was picking it up at a motion device. and for $13 for a wifi socket, only time will tell how i end up playing with these things.

As for the UK version, Aus Zwave Freq is on 921.4 and the uk is 868 I believe, so if you do get the UK version you will most likely be in the same situation…


(Luc Perreau) #10

So UK is on frequency 921.42 as well? And yeah we are at 220v. Sounds
interesting :thinking:


(David D'monte) #11

Australia is 921.4
UK is on 868


(Bob) #12

Looks like i assumed incorrectly that Australia and European z wave frequencies are the same.
In that case I would suggest you get the hub from whichever is the cheapest as you won’t be able to use z wave.


(Luc Perreau) #13

Hi David,

Your gonna make me go all out lol

You seem to have a great setup and im glad you can actually comment of
devices specificallys available in Aus.

Ill see how it goes. Thanks again to all :slight_smile:


(David D'monte) #14

:wink: let me know how you go…


(Luc Perreau) #15

Thanks Bob.

David, do you connect your switches yourself or you get a sparkie to do it
for insurance purposes? I want to do it myself as i understand this stuff.

What are your views?


(David D'monte) #16

the only thing that i have that would need a sparkie to install is the Zen thermostat.
just like you have stated, i wouldn’t do it my self due to my house insurance, even though it is only 4 wires i need to connect :confused:.


(Luc Perreau) #17

What about light switches?

On another note, i want to test if my Daikin SkyFi will integrate :confused:


(David D'monte) #18

all my lights are voice activated via google home or smartThings triggered, if you get the Wemo bulbs you can still use the lights switch as normal or use the smartthings app to control them.
IMO there is no need to replace light switches unless you don’t have a wemo bulb or any smart bulb installed in the socket.
When it does come out and fully supported i will probably upgrade one of my switches that is connected to a ceiling fan but other than that i have no real reason to change any of my light switches.
Hope i made it clear enough for ya…

Dave


(David D'monte) #19

not sure if you can get IFTTT to function as i just found this online


(Bob) #20

If you have WeMo bulbs, don’t you have to leave the light switch on.
If someone turns the light switch off, then you lose control via ST.
I used to have them but changed the light switches to give better control as people kept turning off the switch. :frowning:
But at the end of the day it’s whatever suits your needs.