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ADT Hub vs. v2 Hub


(Cory Booth) #1

Few discussion on here about the ADT Hub. My question is this…

What are the significant differences between using ADT as a HUB vs. the standard Smartthing HUB?

Is there missing functionality or is the ADT Hub exaclty the same as the ordinary Smartthings Hub in terms of device integrations and compatibility?

Same User programable interface for the ADT hub? Device Handlers, etc…


(jkp) #2

Big thread on the adt hub…


(Cory Booth) #3

Thanks, I read that…

But, aside from the “custom” devices tailored to ADT only, what about the other stuff?
Say I pull my existing HUB out (with GE switches/outlets, Door locks, dry contact sensors, ecobee, etc…)
Will they link back up to the ADT Hub?
Does the ADT hub have the exact same base Smarthing capabilities?

That’s my question.

Building a new house and I am curious if I should just buy an ADT hub and rebuild my components or stay with a standard hub.


(Jimmy) #4

They will connect, but the way the devices can be used is very different. You can’t use any of your old stuff for security with the ADT hub. It’s also on a different firmware, so it may not run a lot of z-wave or zigbee things locally (if any?).


(Christopher) #5

Just moved into a newly completed house and I installed the ADT hub. All of my Schlage locks, GE switches, Ecobee thermostats, Halo smoke detectors, Iris contact sensors, Iris plugs and ST motion detectors moved over just fine. All of my smart apps, custom device handlers and WebCoRE pisition work fine with the ADT setup. The only difference was when it came to security devices. If I wanted ADT to monitor a door contact, motion detector or smoke detector I had to purchase a new dual logo’d ADT/ST sensor. I hope this helps! If you have any specific questions let me know. I moved from a v2 hub to the ADT setup in Nov '17. Cheers!


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #6

My #1 concern with using the ADT Hub as opposed to the standard SmartThings V2 Hub is that the probability of a failure at least doubles. Of course, it’s still pretty small, I guess; though my estimate is that as many as 1% to 5% of all SmartThings “Locations” are reset every year … though not primarily due to hardware failure.

With the lack of a backup/restore/migration tool, if you have more than a trivial number of Things and SmartApps, restoring service is a major, major effort with no resolution in sight.


I also don’t know of any confirmation that the ADT Security Hub supports local execution of SmartThings DH’s and Smart Lighting?


#7

I switched from the v2 Hub to the ADT Hub and have generally been happy with it (though the lack of SHM has been somewhat annoying).

One question I have had is whether the ADT Hub is (or is going to) be receiving the same firmware updates as the v2 Hub receives. If not, I would think there could be future functionality rolled out to the v2 Hub that doesn’t make it into the ADT Hub, possibly.


#8

Do you have any data for that? Because I’d be really surprised if that were true. Of course it may depend on what you mean by “a failure,“ but ADT Is not going to risk their brand on a device with a high failure rate. That’s the most likely reason for why the security system sensors are an entirely different protocol than the home automation ones.


#9

Staff have already said they have different development teams, different firmware versions, and are on different development paths. Same with the Nvidia Shield Extend. They will not necessarily stay in sync in the future. Current firmware versions are listed on the following page:

As far as other differences, at least at the time of launch the Samsung appliances that did work with the V2 hub did not work with the ADT hub. They weren’t a lot of these, but there were some. I don’t know if that has changed, those reviews were from a couple of months ago.


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #10

No data, of course.

I mean in the broadest possible sense: 2 sub-systems = twice the rate of failure. Basic math, assuming that each system has an equivalent rate of failure.

Your observation that the ADT sub-system is less likely to fail than an average SmartThings Hub is probably accurate. Still… I make the same recommendation regarding the Samsung Connect WiFi system. WiFi and SmartThings Hub in one, means that a failure of the WiFi part means you will end up having to replace the SmartThings “Hub” part in it as well, and there’s no migration of your SmartThings stuff. Not “an increase in risk” I’m willing to take.


(Diego Yong) #11

Can you share your user-like experience? I have an older ADT system already installed at home, but no monitored currently in effect. I do a V2 hub and a lot devices already working with it, and 2 recently acquired arlo pro cams. When the system was first released there was no camera integration, but I don’t know if that has been added, or if the keypad allows you to view the cameras.

What are the pros and cons that you find on having the ADT Hub vs a conventional alarm keypad + ST Hub?


(Christopher) #12

So here is my $0.02 on the topic.

The user experience is much like having a traditional alarm system. From the ADT/ST panel you can arm, disarm, bypass zones, etc. The panel is dedicated to the ADT portion of the system and you can NOT control any of the automation (including viewing cameras).

Pros of the system:

  • One smartphone app for both my alarm and home automation system

  • A panel to arm and disarm my system (vs Smart Home Monitor with only the ST app)

  • Arm / Disarm system using routines or presence (this requires using WebCoRE)

  • Able to use the ADT/ST sensors for both security and automation (this means I don’t have to have two sensors on my doors)

  • No contract required vs a 3 year contract with a traditional ADT system

Cons of the system:

  • Migration to the ADT/ST hub required totally rebuilding my ST system (there is no migration tool)

  • It’s still a VERY new product, so support is sometimes confusing between ST and ADT

Hopefully this gives you what you need. If you have any specific questions feel free to reach out.

Cheers!


#13

Two questions:

  1. My current ST v2 hub works with my Harmony Hub. I don’t see Harmony listed on the ADT Hub compatibility list - will I be able to interact with Harmony using the ADT hub?

  2. Both my Alexa and Google Assistant/Home devices interact with my current ST hub. I don’t see mention of voice control using google devices with ADT. Possible?

Thanks!


(Christopher) #14

Yes and Yes. :slight_smile:


(Trin) #15

So I also have recently purchased an ADT SmartThings Hub and am looking to migrate from my v2 hub. I’ve moved a Samsung Motion Sensor and Iris Door Sensor over; however, they’re not showing as being part of the ADT system when I try to test activate it. Based on what everyone is saying it is working as a SmartThings hub as far as everything is concerned in my mobile app, but if I wanted to arm my system from the ADT hub at my kictchen door it doesn’t work. My guess is this was a waste of money and i should just return it to Best Buy? I was looking forward to the built in siren, interactive security panel and the graphic interface of the display. I wasn’t planning to pay for the ADT service ever. Is there another interactive panel like this that could be purchased to act as what I noted above? Not just a numeric keypad, but an actual digital display width system wide info?


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #16

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(Jimmy) #17

You can only use the combo adt/st sensors for security monitoring with the ADT hub.


(Scttq) #18

I think the use case for the ADP/ST alarm panel is hard for many folks to wrap their mind around, for me it was a perfect fit. The ADT/ST panel is a commercial 2GIG GC3 alarm panel with the integration of the ST hub capabilities. Think of the alarm panel and ST hub as separate systems that talk to each other

The reason the panel requires specific (900mhz) sensors to trigger alarm events is for reliability and integration with the alarm panel not the ST hub. There are many threads of general HA sensors providing unexpected results, you are very unlikely to see this with the ADT sensors talking to the alarm panel. Depending on your security needs, the reliability of ST and general HA sensors may be fine. For a focused security stance, the ADT panel provides a more reliable system that can also communicate with ST.

The ability to activate monitoring monthly as needed is also beneficial to some. When we are travelling I’m likely to have monitoring turned on. When I’m local I will self monitor, all the alerts still go to my phone either way.


(MavFlex) #19

Hi All,

Earlier a lack of export/import/migration was mentioned.

I just recently got the ST Hub v2 but am considering replacing my alarm system, it’s an ELK M1 Gold which interfaces with some of my other HA systems using serial protocol but it really seems to be of previous generation.

So looking at the ADT hub, will i need to basically airgap and re-join all devices to this new hub? Or worse re-setup a lot of other setups (e.g. i just finished NEST integration which takes a bit of effort).

Am i correct to say that non ADT items cannot be seen to by ADT sevices but the dual label sensors (ADT/ST) can be seen monitored by ADT AND can be used to trigger automations, etc?


(Jimmy) #20

There is no migration, so you would reset everything and start from scratch. And you’re correct on the monitoring and adt/st sensors.