What are you automating? (UK hub)

The great thing about the maker channel is that it allows you to extend IFTTT to use multiple triggers. It overcomes the main limitation/frustration of IFTTT.

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I’ve had a Tado thermostat for a while and works really well. Much better presence detection than ST. Although there are unofficial device handlers for it I don’t see a need to integrate it with ST at the moment.

My family would never consider pulling out their phone to adjust the heating and they haven’t worked out what the button does on the thermostat so I have created a button on my Smarttiles tablet to easily turn off the heating completely using IFTTT. If it is accidentally left off it returns to Tado control in the middle of the night so its not cold in the morning. Also used RM to create a boost button to boost the heating for 30 minutes again using IFTTT.

Also use Harmony and Sonos. I use the Smarttiles tablet (soon to be wall mounted) to easily start a Harmony activity. I have a few commonly listened to radio stations as buttons on the screen so easy to switch on without pulling out your phone or using the Harmony remote.

Not really rocket science but it just simplifies things for the rest of my family.

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I think one of the main stumbling blocks (apart form availability of HA) is non techy family. I have a husband who rolls his eyes whenever he discovers my latest purchase :wink: I have only just trained him how to change the radio channel on the Sonos (using a CR100 controller - trying to get him to use a phone app would be a step too far.)

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Yes my wife rolled her eyes yesterday when I fitted another Hue and motion sensor but she would be the first to complain when a light is left on on the top floor and she has climb two flights of stairs to turn it off. I think the trick is to keep the smart technology simple to control with local overrides when things go wrong so they don’t have to think too much about it.

The wife is not massively resistive but has her own set of requirements (read: concerns!). These span around ‘I don’t always want to pull my phone out to turn on a light’, or ‘what if we have guests or baby sitter’, and as the ST is heavily cloud drive, the ability to keep the house ‘working’ at a basic level even if there is a service outage… So you just need to work around everybody’s needs, as well as your own which is how HA should be done. It should not be to the benefit of a single person.

At the moment, I am simply using mine as a glorified timer but as I buy more stuff it will increase in options and increased automation.

First job was to sort out the outside lighting at the front. These can be powered 24/7 so ended up with a set of wemo bulbs connected directly to ST. They are set at a dim level unless we return home or open the door (future plan is to have a PIR sensor to brighten it up but that’s more polishing later).

Now I’m working on the kitchen. We have 2 sets of under counter lights which are on separate switches. I find it annoying that they can only be controlled separately so using Aeon micro switches I can now sync them together, whilst keeping the original switches for manual control. Turn one switch on, both sets come on. Now I know they work as expected, I can roll the micro switches out through the house and introduce smarttiles wall panels in the hall, and at the bottom of the stairs.

Although I wont be using ST as my primary security system because of the wobbles as well as my own concerns overall about any HA platforms, I will be using it as a secondary. IE to check if doors are opened, external gates or garage, maybe setup “away of home” lighting patterns and integrate CCTV cameras.

In the future, being able to offer the kids in the rooms freedom of maybe having a TV and games console in their rooms, but for us to control when they use it through remote controlled switches which they cant over ride… Another goal is heating. I have a close eye on Evohome and hopefully when I’m ready to pounce on it the costs may have come down and integration into ST is finished to a decent, stable level.

As for things like washer/dryers/dishwashers as you have to load them up and close the doors yourself anyway… I personally don’t see the need for it other than having a reminder to say 'the washer/dryer/dishwasher cycle is complete" would be great and can be done with existing sensors. IE keep an eye on the wattage and if its not sucked much juice in 5/10 minutes, send a reminder…

I wont be going daft with HA, but certainty aiming just to give my house a slight ‘edge’ with increased control and comfort over what we have now… Evo home is on the cards one day when I can justify the £600-700 that I need to sink into it!

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I remember a similar thread a few months back
UK-users-setups but here’s what I’ve got automated on my side in the UK. All interfacing with ST

  • Lights via Hue
  • Lights via Fibaro dimmer
  • Led Strips via Fibaro RGBW
  • Lights via Lightwave with Raspberry Pi
  • Heating via Nest
  • Smoke alarms via Nest
  • AV system via Harmony
  • Electric Heaters via Harmony
  • Power via Samsung Smartplugs
  • Weather via Netatmo
  • CO2 via Netatmo
  • Sound via Nest Camera via IFTTT
  • Noise via Netatmo
  • Notifications via Lametric
  • Internal Motion using ST sensors
  • Doors via ST multi’s
  • Temperature via everything
  • Presence via Android
  • Audio via DNLA devices
  • External Motion via Fibaro
  • Garage charging with Z-Wave switch
  • logging via google sheets
  • Events via goofle calendar
  • Xmas lights were via Lightwave

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I would like to get appliances automated but that will be a few years
I’m still on the lookout for a good doorbell solution
I’m hoping we can integrate with Sky boxes one day
When ST stabilizes I’ll consider locks and alarms
Would like a nice integrated alarm clock
Would love for an integration with desktops or my windows server where it could trigger backups and routine tasks
Still looking for an interface to Android Wear
Chrome cast is also not there yet
Finally room occupancy based on bio-metrics or image capture (were are the Kids, cats and dogs) would be a really nice to have

Lots done lots still to do in general we are not as limited in the UK as it looks on first glance but official support of devices is definitely lower

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Thought I would mention some of the less well known integrations I have set up in my house with ST. Due to lack of official integrations, I had to build a few quirky integrations for some of these devices via ST and a Raspberry PI.

Hive Active Heating/Hot Water - I created and released a Device Handler for this on this community. If I must say so, it works very well :slight_smile: Advantages of integration with ST include setting Hive Heating and Hot Water to off when Away as Hive doesn’t do any presence detection and auto boosting based on various temperature readings within the house using Rule Machine. https://www.hivehome.com/

Heatit Underfloor Heating - This already had a custom device handler built by a community member. It’s a very nice ZWave thermostat that is simple but does the job. I have 2 of these for main bathroom floor and ensuite. It’s nice to have underfloor heating plugged into ST as when you’re away you want these automatically turned off. Big cost savings there if you need convincing to spend the money. http://www.amazon.co.uk/HeatIt-5430499-Wall-Thermostat-White/dp/B00YMTBTBE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459764857&sr=8-1&keywords=Heatit

Warmup 4IE Underfloor Heating - The kitchen underfloor heating thermostat. No API (it’s coming apparently) and just an awful web UI so have built a Python app running on a Pi that takes commands from a custom ST Device Handler that literally logs into the website and clicks the right buttons to control the thermostat. Amazingly, it works perfectly. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Warmup-WiFi-controller-Bright-Porcelain/dp/B00RXC1X8G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458738453&sr=8-1&keywords=warmup+4ie

Energenie MiHome eTRV for radiators - I have 4 of these attached to my radiators alongside the MiHome gateway. I created and shared a SmartApp and Device Handler for these on this community. This allows temperature control on an individual room basis and is great for spare rooms and my office that are not in constant use. An example is that for the spare room in the loft, we turn on a ‘Guest’ switch that heats the room up for the night and turns on the underfloor heating in the ensuite for one night. MiHome has a documented API that meant creating an integration into ST was very easy. For the office, as I will always use the PC in the room, I have a logon script on my Windows 10 PC that turns on an office presence switch in ST. Rule machine then sets the Office raditor eTRV on. When I log off, a script turns the ST office presence switch off in turn setting the office radiator eTRV off. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Energenie-MIHO029-Heating-Bundle/dp/B00V52HKQE/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1458740142&sr=8-7&keywords=mihome

OVO Smart Gateway - This has actually become the most interesting integration (according to the missus). When OVO fitted a new smart gas and electricity meter to my house as part of the UK government program, they gave me the option of having an OVO Smart Gateway that reported live meter readings to a web site. I found out that underneath that web site, there was a good API that I used to build a device handler. So now I get live usage and billing info fed into SmartThings that provides insights on current running costs for electricity and gas and how that compares with the previous day’s running costs. At midnight, a push notification summarising daily energy usage and costs is sent. When we’re away, it also keeps check on energy usage and I use Rule Machine to re issue an ‘Off’ command to all thermostats and various smart plugs if usage readings go over a certain threshold while ST is in Away mode. It will also send a notification that unusually high levels of gas and electricity are being used in Away mode. It’s such a shame OVO stopped supplying this gateway but rumours are they will start again later this year. https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-answers/topics/smart-technology/smart-gateway/whats-a-smart-gateway.html

Neato BotVac Connected Vacuum - Even without ST, this is a great time saver that cleans and navigates downstairs very well. Thanks to a hacker forum, I was able to create a bridge between the closed Neato BotVac API and ST via a Raspberry Pi. I have rules such as disarming SHM when BotVac is turned on and we’re away or automatically scheduling a clean two days after a previous clean and only starting when no one is in the house. ST sends a push notification when we are home to instruct us to clear obstacles when it is about to schedule a vacuum next time we are away. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neato-Robotics-Botvac-Enabled-Cleaner/dp/B014J7N1KA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458739027&sr=8-1&keywords=neato+botvac+connected - EDIT: CostCo UK is currently the cheapest price http://www.costco.co.uk/view/p/neato-botvac-connected-wi-fi-enabled-robotic-vacuum-196423

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It is already available on android wear by using the auto wear plugin for tasker and sharptools.
When I dock my watch every night and my phone is charging smartthings goes into night mode, arms the SHM and turns the nest down.
In the morning it does the opposite.

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These are all fantastic ideas guys, It really gives some more ideas on what to do next. This is the sort of list ST needs to be publishing - saying although they don’t support these products the community has got them to work. Means I can check the list and go out and buy these products.

Its why I’m wanting to write a quick website on how to do some of the UK automations with ST and whats required for each setup. I will hopefully have something sorted over the bank holiday weekend.

Kraeg

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@Regfixit where/what electric curtain rails do you have. This and blinds (roller/roman/venetian/duette or ideally all of these!) are one of my key selling points to the wife for HA but I’d like them to work with smartthings.

Thanks!

Tom

@Regfixit I’m also interested in your curtain setup. I currently have a Silent Gliss system on my lounge window which works brilliantly in closing the curtains at sunset or timed and opening is the same. Unfortunately it cannot be integrated into ST.
Very interested in what people are doing to automate other curtain tracks.

I’ve got light dimmers throughout the house with Fibaro dimmers, and have a couple of motion sensors in use.

I’m holding off on heat, currently dumb. I have a hot water tank, underfloor heating and normal radiators in most rooms, so need something with three zones at least. Quite tempted by Evohome, but Nest is starting to look promising. I’m waiting to see what happens really.

As for the doorbell, my plan is to put a Fibaro motion detector on top of the internal bell box. This will serve to switch lights on in the d/s hallway when motion is detected, and also, hopefully, it should pick up vibration from the doorbell ringing and be able to notify me/do something.

Also, I’m lucky enough to have an oven with Wifi which works with the Samsung SmartHome app. So, notifications are being sent (even when I’m not home, which can be a bit odd) for preheat finished/cooking finished/time remaining, and I have the ability to change cooking times. I’d like to give integration a go sometime.

As for the Fibaro dimmers, I know that the second switch can be made smart somehow so that it can (for instance) turn on smart bulbs via the ST hub. I just have to work this out.

ETA: I also have a few other things, Aeotec RGBW bulbs in a few lamps, also one in the porch (set to come on for a few hours at sunset), some Popp wireless switches and a soffit box mounted RGBW LED strip in the kitchen/diner.

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i’m doing all the usual fare with lights/locks/heating etc… mainly using ZWave with a few Zigbee devices also. I am using Tado for my heating and Tado cooling for my AC and have this working well using the device types that the community and i wrote.
I have started automating my aquariums its been successful so far i.e the fish are still alive.

but i am chasing down a zwave problem which is causing reliability issues I have a number of developments in the works & planned but i am absolutely rammed with work so am struggling to find the time to work on them. these are

Full Tado Integration (written the smartapp and Handlers) but tado have refused to assist with the oauth flow. :angry: so thats still left to do.
ZoneMinder Integration… Event triggers etc…
Microsoft Band Integration (Started this but the MS band API is a bit limiting, so am still storyboarding the best approach)
LIFX Local LAN integration. I only have one LIFX bulb but there is a larger delay with it when activating due to the Cloud to Cloud integration. which openhab doesnt have with its channel which uses local LAN instead.
Airplane Presence Sensor (looked at this on a RPI so i can track when a plane is overhead my house, especially one i am flying so my family can give me a wave. got a bit stuck but its in the works with a far lower priority as its only a nice to have)

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@TomM and @bobbles I am using these from ebay
I looked at the Silent Gliss, but these were at least half price. I was a bit doubtful, but have been really impressed with them. I have installed 4 sets, the longest is 4 metres and they work fine.

I haven’t yet integrated into ST, but I know how to. The rail comes with an infra red controller, plus a manual kepyad that plugs into the motor unit via RJ11 connection. THere is an optional timer module that also connects via RJ11 which I don’t have.

The manual controller has separate buttons for stop, open and close. These work as switches between a common wire in the RJ11 and separate wires for each function. I don’t have the diagram to hand but imagine line 1 is common, 2 is open, 3 is close and 4 is stop. By connecting 1 and 2 together briefly you open the curtains, 1 and 3 would close them, etc. I think the timer RJ11 socket has same lines plus a 12V DC supply for the timer unit.

I plan to wire up an RJ11 plug to some relays that are controlled by a Pi or Arduino (once I’ve learned how to set that up). Then integrate into ST as switches to start off with, once I’ve learnt more about making own device types I’ll probably come up with something slicker. Ideally I will use the timer socket since that I reckon also outputs a supply voltage that I can use to power the Pi/Arduino. Basically make the whole thing as small as possible so it can be attached to the motor unit out of sight.

Gist of operation - in ST app press switch to close curtain, Pi/arduino receives this and operates a relay that momentarily connects the common and corresponding wire on the RJ11 socket.

This is same approach I will use for my garage door.

Could you use a Fibaro shutter module for that?

Does that certain rail need a mains feed then? How do you make that neat without a cable trailing up your wall?

Did you have special electrics put in?

pretty sure its safe for a cable to be trailing up the wall as the curtain itself would hide it, at least mine would as they are floor length.

I think it could do the garage door, but it would be replacing the existing controller as it connects to the motor itself and switches live AC current. The curtains are 12v DC so it wouldn’t work for them. I’d rather keep existing controllers which have local “easy to understand” switches for the missus and just add relays to them to allow ST to operate as well.

The relays only have to handle low voltage, low current not the motor current itself.

They run off 12 V DC. So there is a plug in transformer and a cable running up the wall to the motor unit which is attached to the curtain rail. However, the cable is hidden by the curtain. Longer term, I’ll probably look to conceal it in the plaster.

@Silverpawn
I spent a long time looking for this also, i tried the different solutions but they all had issues IMHO as they are always paired with the sound/box and they dont give good enough control. the only exception was the Aeon Door Bell, but looking at them i do wonder how weatherproof the button is.

i ended up using a Fibaro Door Open/Close Sensor which is wired up to a standard Door Bell switch this gets the door button press into ST to work on, i do 3 things with that button press, i sound the door chime on my Zipato Siren (its quick within a second b4 it sounds) but its pretty quiet. if i then don’t open the door within 8 seconds i then get a voice announcement on my tablets in the various rooms telling me there is someone at the front door. and at the moment ST gets the door event it sends a web request to my zoneminder server which takes a snapshot from my front door camera and sends it to my phone with Pushalot (this bit takes just shy of 4 seconds to hit my phone) i can then unlock my door remotely if needed. which i did the other week when my sister in law came up to give me my B’day present, but we were out, i was notified so i called her then let her in so she could drop it off. its a cheap mans ring doorbell :slight_smile:

anyway here are some pics of the install.



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