Yes - status updates are extremely slow for me as well. The LEDs are “lit when on” for me (which is what I prefer if “never lit” does not work as I prefer it to be dark in the room after turning off the light).
It also included a zwave remote in my Things that does nothing, just like yours. I wonder what would happen if I deleted it from ST but not exclude it, and if the buttons would still work.
I decided to give it a try last night and deleted the remote from the ST app (in the “Things” section, delta it and do the “force delete” without putting the remote into unpairing mode). The remote is now gone from ST and control via both, the ST app and the physical buttons still works.
Thanks aamann, you’ve been very helpful. I’m going to do that right now as well.
Some clarity on the pairing process after some trial and error:
Push and HOLD the top button for 5 seconds - The LED will go amber - Now you can pair it with your hub. It should show up as a “z-wave switch”
Push and HOLD the lower button to repeat the above pairing for it.
Push and HOLD BOTH buttons for 5 seconds and you can pair it for the “remote mode”. I haven’t found a use for this yet with Smartthings.
- Push and HOLD BOTH buttons for 15 seconds and both LEDs will blink red. That’s a factory / pairing reset.
I just did battle with my VRCS2-MRZ 2-button controller and thought I’d share in excruciating detail what I think I did to make it work.
0) I think the ST hub needs to be super-close (~1ft) to the light switch to make anything work. Super convenient, right?
1) reset the VRCS2 by holding down button for 15 seconds. The lights will flash red, and then the switches will behave as ordinary dumb switches.
2) Exclude from a pre-existing network (a Vera, in my case), if necessary:
a) go to the “General Device Exclusion” option in the ST settings on your phone
b) exclude the individual switch “devices” one at a time. You need to hold down the button until it turns amber. If its working, when you release the button, it will blink for a bit. Wait some more. Hopefully the ST will then report that the exclusion is complete. Restart the exclusion mode on the ST app, and do the same for the other button.
c) now you still need to exclude the “controller” device (whatever that means…). Back into exclusion mode, and hold down both buttons until they blink amber. Again, if they don’t blink after you release, then it probably isn’t going to work. Wait and wait some more. If you’re lucky, the ST app will report that it is excluded.
3) Pair the “controller” device to the ST hub.
a) Press the big plus sign on the “Things” page and select “Add new device”. Then the SmartThings logo will begin spinning (does anyone else find it interesting that the logo of the company is a “wait” spinner?)
b) press and hold both buttons for ~10 seconds. I found that when it worked, two device were reported as being added, one in the middle of the long press and one that seemed to coincide with releasing the button. At this point, you can leave the “searching for devices” screen (e.g. back button on Android). The one/two added devices are bogus “remote control” objects that have no obvious value. Perhaps they are decoys to distract non-believers? Don’t worry about these, we’ll delete them late.
c) At this point, if the last step worked correctly, both lights should be green and the buttons will no longer control the loads (/lights). This is a good thing. Now it is time to add the first button. Press the big plus again to get the ST searching, and press and HOLD one of the buttons for ~7 seconds. It should turn amber and start blinking when you release. If it is blinking, the ST app should eventually report that it added another device. Leave the “searching for devices” screen again.
d) Repeat the last step for the other button.
4) if the lights are blinking red at this point, an animal sacrifice will be required. I bit the head off of a live bat, and that seemed to appease the dark spirits residing within the VRCS2-MRZ. Your mileage may vary.
5) Hopefully those last two devices added as switches rather than remote controls. If not, start over. If they are switches, they might even work. Huzzah. Drink a stiff drink to celebrate. I recommend single malt scotch. Bourbon might also work in a pinch. Curse SmartThings. Curse Leviton. Curse whatever awful group-think committee created the Z-wave protocol. Ah, catharsis.
6) Cleanup. I found that I could just delete the vestigial “remote control” things via the ST app. An hour later without the useless items, and everything seems to be working. Fingers crossed!
Yay, internet of things! IoT4eva! It’s so easy!
Ah f***-it. Now it mysteriously stopped working again. The buttons sometimes work, but much of the time the on/off commands seem to “bunch up” and execute all at once some random number of minutes later.
I’ve since figured out to reliably pair these devices – the key thing seems to be to keep the hub very close and to start the amber LED blink for each device (the controller / both buttons, the top switch, and the bottom switch) BEFORE starting the inclusion process from your mobile phone. When I do this, the 3 devices include correctly every time.
Unfortunately, while ST is able to reliably turn on and off the loads, I can’t get the physical buttons to work at the same time. Back on my Vera, it required associating the buttons (which are really a scene controller) with the switches/relays. Unforunately, the controller object on SmartThings doesn’t seem to work at all. I’ve tried Brian Dahlem’s custom device (as well as puttering around modifying it, but I haven’t been able to get it to work.
Worse, I’ve corresponded with SmartThings, and their response was basically that we are S.O.L. because they don’t support this device and don’t apparently have any plans to anytime soon…
That IS disappointing.
These are great devices when they are working properly. Are you trying to get them to control remote devices or are you using the direct connection only or some combo thereof? I’m wondering if you could get the buttons to work as controllers with the Aeon minimote? I was able to use the Mote to set associations on an Evolve switch controller in another room, but my VRCS2 is not controlling anything other than directly wired lights so the Mote has nothing to “program”.
The first time i included my VRCS2 into my ST network and added the buttons etc. then changed the device type to the custom device code (after sacrificing the bat) the physical buttons no longer worked. I too have faced this aggravating behavior with Vera inclusions/fails. Aaagh! (Bangs head against switch).
Not only did the switches stop working physically, they wouldn’t turn on/off via ST either.
I reset the controller to factory default but did NOT exclude it from ST - just re-included it and deleted the previous attempts from ST’s device list.
AND…the physical buttons PLUS the virtual ones are working.
I’ll update in a while as to whether they continue to work. With the second attempt at including the controller I did not change the buttons to the custom device type as written by another helpful ST person but left them as the default switch.
Agreed, this was a lovely device under Vera.
I’d be content if the switches just controlled the corresponding local loads while being able to also control the loads from ST. The moment I include the scene controller part of the VRCS2 in the network, the buttons stop controlling the local loads properly. The LEDs are also stuck on at that point.
Looking at the events coming through, it looks like the buttons do emit “off” events (and they can even turn off the loads if they are turned on first from ST). I am not able to get the loads to turn on with the physical buttons.
I just tried the factory-reset-but-don’t-exclude-then-include-again maneuver, but no joy for me. Exactly the same behavior as before. Sigh.
It would be great if the inclusion behavior was predictable and repeatable.
I’m sorry it didn’t work for you- you re-included the buttons again as well right?
I should mention that I had to do the old mains shut-off trick too at some point in this process (before 1st pairing) as it wouldn’t reset initially. Also typical.
Oh- and I factory reset each button before 2nd inclusion too. I’d try repeating the process but I’m afraid to touch it since it appears to be working…It will likely blow up in my face at some point in the future anyway and I’ll get to try it again!
Thanks for the added info! Yeah, I added the buttons again. Did you delete the old devices before or after you re-included? Also, you said you reset each button – how did you do that? I’ve only been able to get blinking red by holding down both devices at once.
I’ve been wondering if there are different rev’s of the device in the wild, given the diversity of different people’s experiences.
If I hold down the individual buttons themselves they will also flash red. I don’t honestly know if it is any different from holding both down together- but when you are desperate…
I deleted the old buttons after I re-added the device. Didn’t affect anything as far as I can tell.
My VRCS2-MRZ was installed in 2011. And as far as I know it has not been firmware upgraded (if this is even possible), unless it happened behind the scenes at some point. I have a Leviton control stick that I used frequently when I couldn’t get Vera to program the Lev devices the way I wanted so, maybe?
That, however, is another really long story!
In case anyone else is reading this, and it’s helpful, here’s some additional corroborating evidence that there exists a mode where the VRCS2 loads are included, but the original “factory default” button->load association persists: here are the instructions for getting this behavior on a Vera: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=23497.0
The Vera also knows about scene controllers (SmartThings does not), so there is another method for getting things to work where you associate the scene controller buttons with the loads via the Vera controller (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,13251.0.html). The reason that even Vera people want the direct association is that it is faster to respond and works even if the Vera controller flakes out. For SmartThings, at least with the current level of software support, preserving the “factory” association would be the only way to get the buttons to do anything useful, and it sounds like @jensed did manage to get it to work this way… somehow.
It is unclear if SmartThings has the right degrees of freedom to accomplish this inclusion process in a deterministic way (even on Vera it appears to be partly stochastic). From the Vera forums, it seems that the critical thing is to not let the Vera “configure” the controller portion of the device. Interestingly, SmartThings shows an option to “tap to configure” the controller after you include it, and its possible to skip this step (at which point it shows up in a list of “Yet to Configure” devices). Unfortunately, for me at least, skipping this “configuration” step didn’t change anything, but I did go so far as to cut the circuit breaker (as in the Vera instructions) yet.
In general, I wish there was greater clarity about what happens during a “configuration” (and also, exactly what state changes during an exclusion, inclusion, etc.). I get the impression that the whole stack is full of leaky abstractions and weird corner cases where past configurations persist in spite of resets, exclusions, etc. I feel like I don’t have an accurate internal model of the Z-Wave stack that enables me to understand why tripping breakers at those stages would make a difference. If anyone knows about decent Z-Wave documentation, I’d love to understand it better.
After struggling a lot with the first of 4 VRCS2 i was installing yesterday, i noticed what worked for me so that both switches in the VRCS2 can be controlled with ST and with the physical buttons.
I don’t remember how many times i factory resetted the VRCS2, but I never excluded it from the network. I simply couldn’t do it. But i didn’t need to. I started the amber led process with both buttons simultaneously (pressing them for ~10 seconds, and kept them amber blinking) and then pressed the big + on ST app. It found two Z-Waves Remotes, which I added for the time being. Next, I started the amber blinking process with each button at a time (pressing each one for ~7 seconds and kept it blinking) and after a while it found a Z-Wave switch which I added and named accordingly. I repeated this last step with the other button and now I have the two remotes and the two switches added. After that I removed the remotes and everthing works fine.
The only funny thing is that the leds on the button turn green when the loads are ON, and turn off when the loads are OFF. But I can live with that.
I hope this helps anyone.
I’ve now gotten to the point where I can deterministically pair and repair the VRCS2 while retaining the association between the physical buttons and the loads. I wish I could guarantee that what I did will work for you, but it does work reproducibly for me. Your mileage may vary.
(all of these steps done with the SmartThings hub only a few feet away from the device. this is important)
Exclude the device if it has been previously included in any previous Z-wave network. To do this, press and hold one of the buttons until it blinks amber (~5 seconds). Then put the SmartThings app/hub into exclude mode (see other posts or above for details). It’s important that the button be blinking BEFORE you put the hub in exclude mode. In general, much weirdness can be avoided by always putting the device into amber blinking mode before setting the hub.
Do the other button the same way, then do the “remote” / controller by pressing both buttons together until they blink amber and then exclude.
Reset the VRCS2: hold both buttons until they blink red.
At this point, it’s not really fully reset – you need to cut the power to the device by tripping the breaker. This step is essential. I did a Z-Wave network repair during this time and waited 10-15 minutes.
When you put the breaker back on, the device should have it’s default association present (pressing the buttons will control the loads individually). I noticed that if the VRCS2 is fully reset, the button momentarily blinked red when I pressed the buttons.
Associate the “controller” by pressing both buttons together until they turn amber, and then adding from the SmartThings app. Again, order matters here. DON’T press the “tap to configure” option – we don’t want this controller device to be configured, and we’ll delete it later. If you configure, it can break the association between the controller and the loads. We want this part to stay factory fresh.
Associate the two buttons on at a time by holding them until it blinks amber and then adding in the ST app. DO tap to configure these.
After you’re done adding the two buttons, verify that the physical buttons both still control their corresponding loads. If it works, you’re golden, if not, start over completely. It works deterministically for me, but YMMV.
Delete the “remote” from the ST app by going into preferences and deleting it. ST doesn’t support scene controllers anyways, so this is a useless entry.
If your setup is like mine, everything should be working nicely at this point. I found that I could repeat this process and get the same result.
So glad you got your VRCS2 (big mouthful there) working- and figured out why. Great job!
Thanks, @jensed – your mention of cutting the power made the difference. It’s nice to be able to turn on and off the lights again. Good luck with your home automation adventures!