So long SmartThings

I’d like to say it’s been a fun 5 years with you, but it hasn’t. I moved to the ST platform almost exactly 5 years ago today after years of earlier home automation technologies starting way back with X10. I had seen a lot of promise with the extensibility of the ST platform, the strong development capabilities and a robust developer community.

It was not a smooth ride from the beginning but I chalked that up to a fast-growing platform. And while some of that was true, some of painful unreliability must also be due to really poor platform architectural decisions (remember when sunrise/sunset events broke every day because of database locking issues?) (cloud-based automations instead of local) and the rush to market of unstable features (i.e. every year before CES the platform becomes unstable).

I remember the good ol’ days of Alex Hawkinson bragging that his home automation was completely (and inexplicably) stable while his platform was burning to the ground.

Anyway, after 2020’s year of instability and unreliability, a disastrous app migration and more bricking of my devices, I’ve finally moved my home off of SmartThings and I won’t be looking back.

I found it pleasingly ironic that I finally unplugged my ST hub this week during CES with Samsung extolling all the wonderful future capabilities of the SmartThings platform. Ha, good luck with that based on your track record.

So long and may we never meet again SmartThings.


So what home automation platform are you moving to? Or are you not going to automate your house at all.

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A combination of Philips Hue, Lutron Caseta and HomeKit. Maybe add Homebridge in the future


That’s what I’ve been using for my critical use cases for a couple of years now, with Alexa thrown in as well. It’s been solid and reliable, with prices coming down and functionality going up over that same timeframe, so we’ve been happy. make sure you look into Shortcuts if you want more complex rules, that adds a lot of functionality.

We’ve been using Meross for inexpensive pocketsockets in this setup. We also recently added the G2H Xioami Aqara camera which then serves as a base station to bring in up to 32 of their Zigbee sensors Without requiring either homebridge or any special coding. This filled a gap we had for inexpensive contact sensors.

So it’s nowhere near as powerful or versatile as a smartthings based set up, but it meets our needs, it’s been very reliable, and the app is user friendly and voice navigable. :sunglasses:

We are still using smartthings for some convenience cases and some devices that don’t work natively with Homekit and we haven’t wanted to go down the homebridge route so far.


HomeKit is quite intriguing now that there are more affordable brands like Meross and Aqara. I actually just received an Aqara hub and outlet to test, so hopefully I don’t like it too much to convert my other 200+ devices over :joy:


Based on your comments to my other thread I’m fed up with SmartThings and looking for advice on alternatives I did a deeper dive into HomeKit and for now I’m very satisfied with what I’ve seen firsthand. I wasn’t thrilled with getting both a Hue hub and Lutron hub but so far they are exceeding my expectations on ease of setup and integration with HomeKit.
Thanks again


Does the Lutron hub have to be a pro like the one used in Hubitat?

It doesn’t have to be if you are just using HomeKit, The pro model just gives you more integration options with other systems. With either the base or the pro model of the bridge, you have to be sure to get one that says it supports Homekit, the first generation did not.

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the aqara hub is OK. probably not worth converting everything over to it

Homekit is apple???

Yes, it’s A home automation platform that is built into iOS, so it comes with every iPhone and iPad. You can also add it to a HomePod or Apple TV plus, but you have to have an iPhone to set it up.

Devices are made by other companies and certified to be compatible with HomeKit. They will have a HomeKit logo if they work with HomeKit.


Set up is very easy and you use the Apple home app as your dashboard.


There’s an article in the community created wiki on devices that work with both HomeKit and smartthings. :sunglasses:

If you want to set up your own server device, there’s also an open source integration called “homebridge“ which let you bring in otherwise incompatible Devices into HomeKit. A lot of community members are using that to integrate smartthings and Homekit.

But you will have to have an iPhone to get started. I don’t think it’s worth it to buy an iPhone just to get homekit, but if you already use one, it’s an interesting platform.

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So they use a hub also or do you need an apple tv?

you need a device to act as a hub if you want to create Automations, rather than just toggle things on and off in the app. Or if you want to have control when you are away from home.

That device can be:

  1. an iPad which is plugged in. Some people then use this as their on wall control panel.

  2. a $99 HomePod mini

  3. an Apple TV 4 or higher (this is a streaming box like Roku, not a television)

Thanks foe the info @JDRoberts.

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I am not far behind you although I am taking a different path. Almost have all my z-wave and zigbee moved to Hubitat. The new app was the final straw. I

“Something is not quite right…”

How I WON’T miss these messages.


You can get quick notification of an incident or you can get precise info about the cause. In the real world, you have to pick one.

I’d rather see quick notification so, if I’m seeing weirdness, I don’t start doing all kinds of remediation on my side. Rather, I know to ride it out for a bit.


Respectfully, I have to disagree. One of my first jobs was working on the alert system in a nuclear power plant. I promise you, they don’t just pick one of those two. :wink:


where to dispose that crap, hub does even fit as door stopper

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:. :+1:

I’m happy for nuclear power plants to be the exception to the rule.

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