Manage Rental Lock Codes And Home/Away after Groovy?

Connecting directly to Sharp tools from Guesty via API webhooks was not effective, I couldn’t get it to work correctly, I couldn’t get it to execute and trigger action. Connecting via Guesty to Zapier to Sharptools was better, but it was not doing what I needed the most, automation, I would see some triggers but the actions on Smartthings didn’t complete.

I’m 222 miles, a 3-hour drive from my own properties, and 2 others I helped manage were even further away. I needed automation. I did a lot of research before starting, and 2 months before I start it was determined RLA offered everything I needed, so I got RLA, everything Zwave, and Smartthings. Lock code creation, lock code deactivation (most important now in Florida with a new law passed that you have to limit access to your rental property when a renter is inside, AC automation, and lights automation.

To me all this is important. People set the AC to 65 and leave it running when they leave, sometimes there are several days or weeks before the next renter, so it is important when the guest checks out that the AC returns to normal, or to off, then back to normal when the next guest arrives. On the 3 units I own, my electric bill is up $180 more than last July, with less occupancy. I just kept forgetting to reset the AC and lights.

For some reason, guests and the cleaners leave all the lights on, all the time.

With RLA, when a guest code was active, the location was set to home. When the location was set to home the cleaner codes, handyman codes, etc were all disabled. Before the law was passed, I had a cleaner enter a unit, by mistake, while the guest was sleeping and it terrified them.

When the guest code was deactivated, the location was set to away, all other lock codes became active, A/C would return to the normal setting for 4 hours, giving the cleaners time to clean, then the A/C was off after 4 hours with no new guest arrival. All lights would turn off if the cleaners used their code to unlock the door and it would allow the lights to be on for 4 hours and then off until the next guest arrived.

All with a flip of the location, based on calendar events, so far there’s no solution.

One simple or not-so-simple change of location with automation allowed me to be in compliance with Florida Miya’s Law, save on energy cost, and convenience.


Sorry folks, it’s taking longer than expected but we’re working a full replacement for RLA / LMAPI.


Is it possible with the new driver for there to be an option for automation when a code is created? I can do some automation if I can get a trigger when a guest code is created or deactivated.

Hi @Redcentauri - I’m with you on this major challenge. When we had RboyApps RLA it wasn’t easy to setup, but once it was - it was 99% golden! The Home/Away & routine benefits were how it’s supposed to be. We have 6 homes that we had it setup on, so we’ve been in a world of hurt for a while. Step 1 was trying to see how long we could hold on to the old code (January it died). Step 2 was examining other solutions (lots of costly options that still didn’t do it the way we wanted it to be done). Step 3 we signed up for Hospitable since they had an RLA type solution in place (backed by Seam @sybohy ) which has been ~85% reliable in basics, but no the home/away automations/routines we desire like you.

Seems like @RBoy will be back, but it’s been 8+ months and many previous users have moved on.

We checked into @joshua_lyon 's SharpTools a little, but didn’t seem to cover us either.

Here’s how we used the iCal connection via RLA.

  1. Loaded ical that would allow for guests info to transfer over from our PMS or the direct OTA - <Airbnb, VRBO> (previously IGMS, currently a cross of Hostaway & Hospitable).
  2. We could set a home/away trigger based on checkin times that would start/stop HVAC, turn on smart switches for fireplaces, lighting.
  3. The main use was the basics of guests last 4 of their mobile active for checkin & deactive for checkout.

We continue to dream and thankful we started playing with Hospitable (originally only for their RLA “substitute”) and now enjoying some of their other benefits too.

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I haven’t tried this solution as yet, as it looks like it is also a PMS and I already have one.

Yes, the latest driver you can create a lot of custom automations including with users. Check this out for more details:

We have more features coming to the drivers which should give more local control for users and codes (without the internet).

While SharpTools isn’t primarily tailored for rental integrations like AirBnB, the platform has versatile dashboards and an adaptable rule engine, giving users the freedom to shape their automations.

To help you make the most of it, I would need specifics.

Guesty’s availability of webhooks and API suggests potential integration. Given access to their reservations API, you might directly query daily reservations. Based on this, actions such as adjusting lock codes or activating specific modes might be set up. However, without a Guesty account on my end, this is a hypothesis.

Both Hostaway and Hospitable offer webhooks and APIs, indicating potential integration capabilities with these platforms as well.

Alternatively, if you already have automations managing lock codes with RBoy’s lock driver, you might be able to trigger your automations based on those events.

And back to the original .ics approach, if you want to send some sample ICS files to, I’d be happy to take a closer look at what options we might have.


The API Webhook provides
GET – Get Properties
GET – Get Property Info
GET – Get Rates
POST – Update Rates
GET – Get Reservation Details
GET – Get Reservation List

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Fwiw we have a thermostat API in beta. It can automatically turn heating/cooling based on start time and end time of a reservation (and/or cleaning window). I need to talk to Hospitable about adding support for it but it would effectively work in parallel with access codes. So effectively, a booking comes in, and the PMS triggers an API call to Seam to program both an access code and the thermostat activation for said reservation.

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ZERO Automation. A lock manager is not needed. There seem to be thousands now, at least 5 good solutions. As started before, automation is the key.

Is this available now. I tried seam when it was first offered and it was not effective.

The RBoy posting is very unclear for someone not heavily into the the dev side. Can someone please help me understand what this release means.

I currently own multiple RLA licenses and understand that RLA license now give me basic driver and I can pay $6.yr for the adv driver.

It is not clear if either driver enables RLA function again.

It looks like the ADV driver is great for home automators, but the reality is most of the RLA customer base was using to the app to automate STR. Having a lot more control of z wave locks manually does not add any value to the customer base that bought the RLA and LUM licenses.

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RLA was a Groovy based SmartApp that ran in the Samsung cloud. All Groovy based apps were discontinued in Jan 2023 when Samsung shut down the Cloud. There has been no replacement for RLA or LUM using the new webhook architecture provided by the developer to date. The legacy and for-fee Edge drivers provided simply allow for the locks to be managed via the ST Mobile app or via the APIs using tools like the ST CLI, Advanced Web App, or 3rd party tools like Seam, Sharptools, etc.

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Thanks Hockey,
That was my fear. The hosted app we had was replaced with a driver that would be called by an app or routine… that does not exist.

Not exactly. The Edge driver is a replacement for the Groovy based Universal Lock DTH. There is currently no replacement for RLA or LUM.

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Is there a wildcard I can use with the automation string? My lock code use name varies based on the guest name, so I can’t use a static string for automation. What remains the same is the unit number followed by a -. “UNIT-”, is '’ a valid wildcard string or is there another?

I found a solution to help with the automation, Home Assistant, It is not an easy setup. Luckily I had an old Intel Celeron NUC with Windows 10 lying around. It took me several days to get it completely set up, but it is working to help with automation. I’ve tested it with 3 calendars to switch home and away based on the reservations to allow Smartthings automation. It is free, the Smartthings connection has to be secure, so the easiest setup is to use their cloud service, which I think is $95 a year. But I configured it with an SSL certificate for the Smartthings connection.

It works great and will allow me to reduce the manual task of checking the units.

The only thing I’m missing now is automatically disabling the cleaners and service lock codes, that’s still manual.

It is time to let go of the past. Rboy was a talented developer, however did not behave like a professional software developer with support, roadmaps, Service Level Agreements, etc. Most importantly they never made a long term commitment to communicate with their customers.

Rboy basically made a cool affordable product for a niche market, for a short period of time. It is not uncommon for these type of products to pop up and go away in the world. Rboys absence in the market place since January has been since filled with similar professional products that replicate the features that are most important to the mass. Any gaps can easily be filled with a little coding and other solutions.

The “DIY” Short Term Rental operators liked and used Rboy because it was cheap, the professional property managers use commercial products, backed with SLAs.

The CEO’s of many integrators (Seam, SharpTools, Aurmur, etc) that have filled the gap, some have offered free solutions, alternatives and open API’s for building similar applications. Their communication and contributions to the community have far exceeded that of Rboy and is applauded.

Part of this demise is that The Groovy platform lacked any fundamental way of intellectual property protection. Any one who bought Groovy apps knows you could have copied it to 30+ hubs. Samsung clearly dropped the ball on building an “app store” in the sense where developers could build products on top of the old Groovy platform. They have came a little further with today’s standards allowing developers to build apps in their own cloud. That being said Samsung has a long way to go.

This whole “Edge Driver” deployment is also a hot sloppy mess. There has not been good communication from Samsung, poor documentation, poor migration, poor vendor alignment, and it is still very much the wild west.

There is still a huge misunderstanding if Samsung actually meant for the edge driver market to be monetized, if so Samsung did a terrible job in that arena. If someone has a link identifying their intentions for monetizing edge drivers let me know. I would love to read about it.

You have people like: GitHub - philh30/ST-Edge-Drivers doing a lot of hard work for free.

You now have Rboy trying to monetize Drivers in a quasi half baked return to the market.

What is the end goal for Samsung? Clearly SmartThings is still very much a hobby product for them.

Time will tell.


My personal opinion is that their end goal is what I believe their end goal was when they originally bought the product: to get the value of a cool name, excellent Google history in the smart home space, and primarily to sell more $4000 televisions and home appliances.

At this point well over 90% of smartthings users do not have a hub. They don’t use edge drivers. They don’t use Z wave devices. They have a Samsung smart appliance/television and they may add something like a ring doorbell or a Phillips hue hub, or a nest thermostat.

They like the app, they have been completely unaffected by the platform transition, and they give Samsung a lot of its profits.

Samsung has an additional interest, and in fact a division devoted to it, which is support for professional appliance management in multi unit buildings, particularly in Asia. That’s how features like “smartthings energy“ get into the app.

So I agree completely that at a corporate level, they likely have very little interest in the power users who frequent this forum and use custom code. I just don’t think that’s new or particularly surprising given their business model.

JMO, of course.