Manage Rental Lock Codes And Home/Away after Groovy?

CEO of Seam here. As mentioned in the other thread, Seam is just an API + some fairly advanced dashboard for managing 10K+ devices. As such, it’s probably not an appropriate long-term solution for this community. However, we saw folks here were struggling with the sunset of Groovy and were left stranded without a proper UI alternative. We thought it was appropriate to offer what we have free-of-charge as a stop-gap.

In terms of longer-term solution, our understanding is that there are also a couple of folks developing SLGA/RBoy replacements on top of Seam. For those doing Airbnb/STR, we also have a few PMSs like Enso, Hospitable, HostAway…etc that use our API to directly control your devices. Lastly, our team is going to release a Zapier integration this weekend. We’re looking for a couple of folks to beta test it so feel free to reach out to support@getseam.com if you want to be added.

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The Seam solution doesn’t allow you to import calendars, to use the information from those calendars to set lock codes, or do any automation making it roughly the same as SLGA.

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@Redcentauri Seam is not meant for that. Seam is a frame work of API’s that you can build your own calendar imports, etc on top of Seam with a little bit of coding.

What Seam does allow, that is far superior than SLGA, is the ability to operate it all from a desktop, rather than a mobile app, with confirmation and validation of the input. It also allows you to schedule it. The validation alone and logging makes it a very good temporary solution until you purchase or subscribe to a commercial solution. The odds that the commercial solution is built on top of Seam is high.

You can also build your own apps on top of this framework while Seam does the heavy lifting. You have the Groovy Code for RBOY apps and it is “well documented” within the code, so you could use that as a framework for re-coding as well.

If you are looking for a one stop shop, you might want to look at RentlyKeyless, August, or any of the other commercial lock products. Samsung SmartThings is not a commercial platform.

I would start by building a matrix of your “Requirement Definitions” document then you can start to down select a new vendor or system, (or build your own) based on the requirements. This is how we do software procurement. Maybe you even put it out to RFP and see if a vendor responds. Then you can down select through a matrix of requirements the respondents of that RFP that match the features you are looking for.

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@Redcentauri the answer above is excellent. We’re just an API with a UI-dashboard for basic operations. This is why I had indicated in my original post that this is only a stop-gap solution for those left stranded.

With that said, there are a few options to sync your reservation calendar. First, you could sign up for a PMS like Hospitable, Hostaway, Enso…etc. Second, I know there are a couple of people in this community build commercial apps ontop of the API to automatically control your locks + thermostats. Third, I believe our team is going to release a Zapier integration this week that you can try to use with the other Zaps available for pulling in ical events.

Hopes this helps!

we’re about to release a Zapier integration. I believe there are ways to grab things from iCal. Second,

I’ve been using this successfully with SLGA and our Yale Assure zwave lock (for now). Going to try out the Yale wifi module and their Airbnb integration as well, but I don’t have high hopes that I’ll be anywhere near as satisfied as we were with Rboy RLA.

@ryoung9 Rich, I wouldn’t bother with the Wifi module and AirBnB integration. I started with that, and although the wifi is more feature rich and uses the door sensor, the AirBnB integration is a disgrace. You can not customize the message to guests, Yale sends out a self serving marketing message that is totally confusing to guests, it doesn’t go back and pick-up past reservations even if they are months in the future so you will end up with a mess of knowing which reservations will be handled. It’s shocking for a large company how poor the implementation is.

Having said that I was considering to try the wifi module (as it does have more features and manual remote management capabilities) with one of the platforms that integrates using the Seam API Seam ST Thread, but have not had time yet.

I’m also thinking of just waiting for the Matter module.

Let me know what you find.

Best,
Manel

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Wait, so that driver works for Yale locks even though it says it’s for Schlage only? Interesting. I think I’d have to remove my current Yale Assure and add it back into SmartThings, as I currently do not have the ability to change the driver (I do have that driver installed), as it states ‘ineligible device’ in API+.

I don’t think it was ever stated that it was for Schlage only. It’s for a variety of Z-Wave locks including Schlage, Yale, Kwikset, Samsung, etc. It also supports some locks that don’t have codes such as Danalock, August, and others. You can verify if your lock is supported by checking out the fingerprints for the driver.

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Yes, the post I linked talks specifically about a Schlage lock, and it’s a little confusing when you see “Name: Z-Wave Lock PH v1.00, Description: Enhanced functionality for Schlage 468/469 locks” on the driver page.

I have not seen an inclusive list of zwave locks this DOES work for, but I took the description to mean that the driver has enhanced functionality for Schlage 468/469 locks IN ADDITION TO functioning for other zwave locks as well. So I tried it with my Yale Assure lock and it works.

Edit: see previous post for link to the list of supported locks

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It says it has enhanced support for Schlage - a little confusing admittedly, as Rich mentions… But no it’s for most Zwave locks - including Yale. The callout is most likely because Allegion/Schlage handles things a little differently (some may say nonstandard…) and needs a little extra help…

The fingerprint link Bruce posted is the list of supported devices.

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Awesome, thank you. And yes, that verbiage confused me, which is why I asked. I’ll go through soon and see how well it works, since I’ve lost faith in the other/old solution.

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Jeez! I’m referring to this! Seam: Temporary Solution for Managing Lock Guest Codes (Jan 2023)

Kill them not me, I never said this or wrote this!

How does this differ from this? Seam: Temporary Solution for Managing Lock Guest Codes (Jan 2023)

I tried this solution and it is no better than SLGA.

It will be the same results, continue to use SLGA until there’s a solution.

Some people were having issues installing SLGA or were experiencing issues with trying to set lock codes with it. The folks at Seam offered their solution as an option for those who couldn’t get SLGA working.

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Seam is 100% on point. They augment SGLA and provided a FREE solution to help you better navigate the transition. It includes timers, and desktop interface, with visual confirmation and logs. It does way more than SLGA does and they built a frame work for you to build an app on top of that integrates with iCal.

SGLA does not have logging.
SGLA does not have a PC/Mac/Desktop Interface
SGLA does not have ability to set timers and expire codes.

So @Redcentauri they are not the same. Seam is offering to help for FREE and offer more features than SGLA. Until you finish coding and go to market with the perfect solution you are hoping for.

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That’s awesome. I hope you’re having success with it. I hope you are using it.

I’ve been trying so many solutions that it is actually destructive, deleting previous configs, I have to buy a separate lock and set up for a sandbox.

It is not better than SLGA, doesn’t want to doubt you if you tried it.

People are coming here for help, and they getting crap after crap, no fault of anyone, but when it is promoted it’s an issue. Most don’t have the ability to continuously try different solutions looking for help.

As I said before, the statement from the MODS should be to use SLGA until there’s a solution, not to recommend solutions that are not better than SLGA as it will be disruptive to most.

But there’s nothing like trial by fire, so trying also of these half bakes solutions may make someone piece together something that is quality.

@Redcentauri we are managing 50+ locks with Seam right now as a work around as we adopt and migrate to our new commercial solution. It 100% is better than SLGA as noted with the reasons above.

Can you please show us the logging, desktop access, and how you set codes to expire with SGLA? No, because those features do not exist in SGLA.

Do you have any technology experience?

I find it ironic you slam people for offering free, documented, and proven information about features yet provide zero value to this community.

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It’s always frustrating when something that was working great just suddenly stops working, whether you had notice of it or not. So it’s understandable that everybody is a little bit prickly. :rage:

This forum was set up years ago so that customers could help other customers. The official moderators, who are smartthings employees, just deal with stuff like spam and harassment. They don’t typically get involved in any discussion of use cases and solutions. We get official announcements, and there is a section of support for developers, and that’s it as far as official participation.

So this entire forum is more like Reddit: everybody has their own ideas and opinions, and they are here to share those with other people who are free to explore those ideas or not as they like.

The general forum philosophy is that Choice is good, and different things will work for different people.

This particular thread is for people who are Airbnb hosts, or a similar business situation. That was never an official smartthings feature, and smart locks guest access is not intended for that situation. You don’t get advance scheduling, you can’t trigger automations based on whose lock code was used, and there’s no integration with the third-party hosting apps. It was just designed for a single residential household.

If it works for you, that’s great, but many people find it is not a substitute for the Rboy smartapp which was designed for commercial hosting.

So, even if the staff were making official recommendations. I feel quite confident they would not recommend SLGA for a hosting situation. They would say that’s not a feature which is officially offered, you can explore and see if you can find a third-party solution.

Which is what people have been doing in this thread.

Perhaps you would find it less frustrating if you set up your own thread under projects and described exactly what lock management features you have lost that you would like to replace, and then people could make more specific suggestions so you wouldn’t feel like the suggestions were a waste of time.

We’re all just here to help each other, but without specific questions, you may find the answers less useful than you would hope. :thinking:

FWIW.

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I have tried Aurmur and it has been working just fine so far. Support is good too, what I really like is that I can limit the validity of a code so my cleaners can only use their codes between certain times and I could also limit the days like from Monday to Friday between 9am-4pm and the pricing is also acceptable. I am placed in Central Europe I asked them if they could ad the time zone and they added by next day I realy though it was a nice thing.

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