Is Smartthing Dead?

Hubitat is the only reason I still have any smart home devices after Samsung ensued they were all a total waste of time in my home. Still going strong! (since July)

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how does it deal with big loads ? if you have many devices can you maybe try for me to turn on 15-20 lights at once then turn them off and do this 4-5 times and tell me how it reacts and how much time does it take to turn everything on or off ? thanks, iā€™m really considering moving to hubitat getting tired of smartthings

Probably a better question over in the Hubitat Communityā€¦ But Iā€™ll try to take a stab at a short answerā€¦

How does it deal with turning on/off a large quantity of devices? It depends greatly on the type of devices. For example, Hubitat supports Zigbee Group Messaging, which allows one command to be sent to an entire ā€˜group of Zigbee lights/switches/bulbsā€™, and they will all turn on/off/dim at almost the exact same time. This is much, much more efficient than sending a zigbee message to each device, one at a time. Z-wave does not currently support this feature, IIRC. I actually use Lutron lighting instead of Z-Wave, as I feel it is much, much more reliable and robust. I have never had even one missed command to a Lutron switch, dimmer, or fan controller. And, if desired, one can also create a ā€˜sceneā€™ in the Lutron App and then activate that scene from Hubitat, thereby achieving the same instant on/off behavior as the aforementioned Zigbee Group Messaging. As I mentioned, I removed all Z-Wave from my home as I found it not very robust nor reliable for my needs, on both SmartThings and Hubitat. I will admit that my Z-Wave experience was tainted on both platform by the same GE Z-wave switches/dimmers (not Z-Wave Plus.)

Hope this helps.

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Some aspects of Hubitat are very similar to the old SmartThings, some are very different. It is not designed as a consumer friendly plug and play system, which was smartthingsā€™ intention from the beginning even if they didnā€™t quite get there. If you used a a lot of custom code and/or webcore on SmartThings and hardly ever used the SmartThings app you will probably feel very comfortable with Hubitat. But if you relied on official features and interfaces for smartthings and arenā€™t sure whether your smart plug is Wi-Fi or something else, you may find Hubitat too technical for your own preferences.

Like most home automation platforms, itā€™s a good solution for some people but not a good match for others.

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Sorry, I donā€™t have a large number of similar devices.

All I can tell you is that for my usage (door, window, motion sensors, dht22/18b20s temp, lighting, sockets, scenes, webcore, zoned central heating), it doesnā€™t miss a beat.

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TLDR: A single Hubitat hub can handle anything you throw at it. I even physically automate my homeā€™s windows.

I have to say that Iā€™m fairly confused when I hear people say that Hubitat didnā€™t work for them, or was extra confusing. It basically encompasses all the glory that ST was aspiring to do, and makes it 99.9% local (or 100% if you want.)

I had a bad c4 hub that caused me problems, but my c5 and c7 are running perfectly. I thought Iā€™d need the c7 because I kept hearing how people needed multiple hubsā€¦ Mostly due to inaccurate information shared on forums. Itā€™s not true. I run everything on the C7. Iā€™ve got nearly 100 Rule Machine rulesā€¦which are quite complicated items in my case, plus almost 50 WebCore programs.

I donā€™t use any of the ā€˜simpleā€™ automations, but Iā€™ve tested them out and theyā€™re on par the way I used to have to add stuff to ST. My only complaint about Hubitat is that it could a bit more feedback for power users when troubleshootingā€¦oh and itā€™s missing a few integrations where manufacturers have special deals. Arlo is a big one. I just use HubConnect to a virtual ST cloud instance and that fixed that.

Every action is faster than STā€¦ I remember how terrible it was to wait 5 seconds for a light to turn on for ST.

In summary, donā€™t take my word for itā€¦ Just buy one and try it out. This is a cheap hobby. It really is the logical destination for OG ST folks. That, and likely paired with other solutions like HASS, which Iā€™m building up as well. Iā€™m looking to be 100% disconnected from big tech cloud services by EOY.

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Iā€™m moving house soon, and am debating scrapping my ST experience and starting over with Hubitat.

But, hereā€™s the thing, I really want to stay with Smartthings and I want to believe the IDE shutdown will go smoothly etc. But,if the app transition is anything to go by, then, realistically Iā€™m pretty sure this wonā€™t be the case.

The primary issue for me is WebCore - I love it, and cannot really see how it can be bettered right now, so far I donā€™t think there has been anything I couldnā€™t do on the platform. Then 90% of my other stuff is in smart lighting (something else that is seemingly going)

So therefore it seems to make sense for me to invest in a platform that is actively embracing WebCore locally as well as custom device handlers etc. Rather than one that is moving away from all of this. Unless someone can convince me otherwise? Am I missing anything here?

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Hubitat has webcore and rule machine.

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@Shinedown78

Iā€™ve been with hubitat since last summer. Hasnā€™t missed a beat.

Most of my heavy lifting is via webcore. It works beautifully (and locally) on hubitat.

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I also use a variety of (local) custom device handlers.

I think you can probably guess what my advice would be :wink:

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I switched to Hubitat a few years ago - then switched back to ST. The issues I had were with devices that needed to be polled for status (like my front door lock). I never had an issue with ST getting an immediate status of the door being manually locked/unlocked, but with Hubitat the status was not updated unless the device was polled. This caused the battery of the door lock to be drained fairly quickly.

I did discuss this in the Hubitat forums at the time with no resolution.

Brand and model of the lock? I have heard specifically that there have been issues with Schlage locks, which are known to have some idiosyncrasies. :thinking:

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Itā€™s a Schlag Connect Century Touchscreen. I donā€™t need help anymore (went through all that on the Hubitat forum without resolution) - but with ST, there are no issues whatsoever.

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Hey man sorry to hear about the the scenes and automation drops.

I havenā€™t read the whole thread, just bought a new house (woohoo) and went to reconfigure all my ST stuff. I realized it was a shakey endeavor and searched ā€œis Smartthings dead?ā€ which led me here.

My ideology going forward is to use the rest of the services for what theyā€™re best at (alexa for spoken automations, Wyze for gadgets, Ring for security, IFTTT to tie it all together) etc., and keep ST around to run my Samsung stuff. If Aeotec takes it somewhere, wonderful! if not, well I got a pretty cool wifi extender for my troubles.

Anyways, misery loves company I wish yā€™all the best.