IRIS-Smartthings migration notes from a IRIS user

The latest is gen 3. It can be wired or wireless.

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Ive just placed an order. Samsung is out of the “multipurpose sensors”. The Hub and motion sensors will be shipped in 2 weeks. Hopefully I will have everything delivered before my IRIS system take its last breath. I have also ordered a Arlo Q camera. Hopefully everything will come together. Which backup UPS do you recommend? On amazon the reviews are mixed on most.

The FAQ should help. ( The thread title is a clickable link)

Power redundancy is solved using a UPS for short term power outages.

Internet connection redundancy can be achieved by having automatic fallback to a cellular device for your internet.

I use and recomment Cradlepoint gear at www.cradlepoint.com because it’s easy to configure for the average person and powerful enough for advanced users.

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One of the big things to think about with the ADT Smartthings hub is that it has all of the standard functions you expect from a security system while Smart Home Monitor does not. There are gaps that Smartthings with SHM has like proper Entry/Exit delays and the ability to use Keypads. The Smartthings Hub is also 100% cloud based for security. It isn’t just about needing internet to be notified of a event. The smartthings cloud has to be up and running as well. The app server with the SHM application has to be running. The ADT Smartthings panel is all local meaning no matter what happens outside your home you can be 100% sure the alarm side will function as a alarm.

Since I have spent time researching adding the ADT Tools app to the new platform I would never depend on either the new or old app for security. There are allot of whatif’s that create a reliability concern. I can tolerate that for turning on lights, but not when thinking about the saftey of my wife or daughter.

What this really comes down to is simply our tolerance of risk of reliability for security. Having the ADT Smartthings panel doesn’t keep you from anything with Smartthings.

SHM is getting better with some of the gaps though. I believe Samsung showed off a keypad at CES earlier this year, and there are some smartapps that help with the some of the gaps.

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As @Mavrrick58 said, the ADT model hub is designed for security, the other models are not.

Even if you intend to self monitor, there are glaring deficiencies with regard to security in the other models since they are all cloud based.

Remember that the ST cloud has historically had at least one unscheduled outage every month, plus one or two scheduled ones, and often more. See the following thread for discussion and details:

Some of the most obvious:

Without the cloud, there is no way to arm/disarm the system. None. See the forums for discussion of how much the family enjoys having the siren go off because you come home with the system in armed mode and there’s no way to disarm it. :scream:

Without the cloud, there is no way to get notifications, even on your own phone. None. Even more fun, the notifications may stack up and then come all at once when the cloud comes back online. :rage:

Again, see the hub features FAQ:

FAQ: Confused by "Regular" Hub and "ADT" SmartThings Hub. Need clarification (2019)

If you want security features and you aren’t going to get the ADT hub model, you will be better off looking at other purpose-built DIY security systems like Ring, Abode, and Simplisafe. There’s a reason the security links on the ST site only take you to the ADT model.

If you don’t need security features, just Home automation, then the other ST hubs would make more sense than the ADT model.

@rickspfc75

JD and Maverick, those are great thoughts.

From a security standpoint of the risk you face while the cloud is down I personally see that is a extremely insignificant risk. All the stars would have to align to make it an issue.

The cloud would have to be down at the exact time a security intrusion happened, that you were at home for.

Yea. That is very true. But what if you are that 1 in a million chance. At that point the odds probably wouldn’t matter to you. Is it worth it then. This is really a case of plan for the worst and hope for the best right.

I know if someone broke, did something to my wife or daughter and the alarm didn’t work because Smartthings was down, i wouldn’t be able to forgive myself for that. Especially when the limitations are so well documented easy to fix with the right hardware.

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What size UPS would you buy to have an internet router, wifi, and smarthings hub run for at least 1 hour after power goes off? Average per device 12v 1.5amp. Thx in advance.

I’ve always used APC ups. Dependable, long lifetime. When the battery need replaced easy to get and install.

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what size UPS would use for a modem, router and hub? Thank a lot for the help!

For these devices I have the back-ups 450.
In my server room, I’ve got a couple of big ones.

Just to clarify, if you have backup power to the hub, you can get a push notification when your hub has gone offline (and another notification when it comes back online). Unfortunately I don’t believe there is a way to get a notification when the hub is still online but the SmartThings cloud goes down.

The problem is that historically the cloud effectively goes down several times a month, for anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours. It definitely wouldn’t meet the UL standards for a security system. But different people require different levels of reliability for their own peace of mind. As long as you are aware of the issue, it’s obviously your choice. :sunglasses:

I stumbled on this site and hope it will be helpful… we have only had Iris about 6 months. In our quest to replace with a comparable device, we wanted to be able to utilize the existing door sensors and water detection devices from Iris along with a Utilitech Glass breakage monitor. We do not wish to have a contract or pay for monitoring. I first purchased the Smarthings Hub which worked well with the Smartthings app and paired with all the devices, however, we decided we wanted a keypad system, but could not find a way to address that need. In addition, the Hub system did not send an alarm signal via cell phone or go off at the residence. It would send a notification, but we did not feel that was enough. I then decided to purchase the ADT/Samsung Smartthings home system. It obviously offers the keypad and alarm built in. We were able to pair the existing (Iris) devices with the Smartthings app and programed the ADT keypad thinking we were connecting to the ADT Hub … not the case. Is it possible to use the existing Iris devices and connect the ADT hub and smartthings app to communicate and function like the IRIS system did? Is it possible or are we attempting to do something that will not work? If any one has any suggestions or guidance, it would be greatly appreciated. The goal was to use the existing Iris devices / smartthings app and integrate it with the ADT hub. Trying to avoid having to purchase all new equipment and starting over. thx

With the adt hub, you can use your existing devices for automation, but not security.

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So If I intend to use the ADT hub for home security, I will need to use the compatible ADT sensors instead of the IRIS, correct?

Does anyone know of any product out there that is compatible with the IRIS sensors for home security or are they useless except for maybe automation needs?

That is correct that if you want to trigger a call to the ADT monitoring center, you have to be using the ADT dual logo sensors.

The iris sensors are not UL listed for security, so most third-party systems will not accept them.

If you have one of the regular smartthings hubs, not the ADT hub, then
There is currently an option through the classic app to use the paid scout monitoring service with any sensors that work with smartthings, but it’s important to note that that option is only available for intrusion alerts (contact and motion sensors), they will not monitor smoke detectors through the smartthings Integration.

I can appreciate your response and thank you for that information… as far as monitoring goes, we are not interested in a contract to pay for monitoring, thus do not need for the security to report to a central station or supporting company. just want to be able to do our own self monitoring.

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If you don’t mind the cloud being involved you could load the ADT tools app. With it you can configure your non ADT Sensors to trigger alarm on secondary sirens among other things.