I have loved and done business in 7 different states and all laywers say stay away from audio. Reasonable expectation of privacy still exists even in public places. My reference to gun sign was because in GA they are meaningless you can walk in with a gun and can’t be charged with anything. So if those are meaningless my point is just because it’s posted doesnt mean it has law or court opinion behind it. Ask any lawyer about recording audio as a business and see if any recommend it. Just saying.
Written consent is what we were told that may hold up in court. But they are as good as hold harmless. They are only as good as written and the judge you see. So our lawyer said don’t do it.
Let follow this closely
I will be curious how it plays out and Amazon plays it.
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So then you can’t cite any actual statutory, case or any other sort of law that supports your claims. How about an opinion from one or more state AGs?
BTW…have you ever been told by a support or other business agent that your phone call with them, “may be recorded/monitored for quality assurance purposes” (or something similar? Do you suppose all companies that do that…many of them quite sizeable…just have been given really bad legal advice?
Amazon has already told them to go pound sand with regard to the warrant.
Phone calls are different. And I have 4 kids and a life to sit and look up statues sorry not worth my time. you do what you want to do and see how it works for you. Reason I fought and bleed for this country your free to do whatever you damn well please until you go off the road. So do what you want.
I figured that just like Apple did. But there is no way to break into a echo to get data like a phone. So will the government pursue the warrant?
Really? It took me about 30 seconds to find the relevant sections of the GA Code…far less time, I’ll wager, than it’s taken you to make all of the baseless claims you’ve repeatedly made in this thread.
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Baseless whatever like I said no one is expert law people on here. Or probably wouldn’t be on here. I am going of experience of life. Again do what you want. And prepare to defend it or someone that will and hope you win.
Well, considering the fact that “the government” in this case consists of the Bentonville, AR PD and a local judge there’s not much they can do to pursue it.
File with federal court.
Digital Media Law Project summary:
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations
Note that there are multiple possible situations, and a lot of potential variations. In particular,
- is everyone involved in the conversation physically in the same state/jurisdiction?
Two) is one of the people involved in the conversation giving their permission for the recording? Note that this is considered a very different situation in most jurisdictions than one person recording something that two other people are saying to each other, not knowing that they are being overheard.
Three) is this a public location or private location?
Four) is the recording audio or video?
In several jurisdictions you cannot give blanket permission for recordings that you are not aware of at the exact time that you are speaking, which is where the signage issue usually comes in. It is common that you are requested to give your permission for a specific recording at the time that that recording is going to be made. Or that at least one of the “parties to the conversation” does so (which is where the overhearing issue comes in)
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations
This stuff gets really complicated, so definitely you should check with a local expert if you’re intending to set up a recording device in your own home or business.
I suggest that those who are interested in discussing the legalities further open a new topic, as it’s really getting pretty far off topic from this one. 
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I agree up to off topic. Since we have a listening device in our homes that already is trying to be used in a case.
Nope. They’d need to petition a local/state court in the state where the search is desired to be conducted (wherever the servers in question are located…which in this case is WA, I’m guessing) and get a completely new warrant. The existing warrant issued by the judge in AR is worthless.
Makes sense. I meant to phrase that as a question. Maybe turn the case over to feds. They do that here for big cases. More resources.
Maybe it’s time to take this topic of audio recording legality to another thread or PM? Was somewhat related when it started about always on recording but seems to going down a rabbit hole.
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I will agree with you on that. We did go down a rabbit whole. But we all need to watch if these things are used against anyone successfully.
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I have Alexa, but I use it as my alarm. To change from goodnight to good morning, I have a Routine setup to activae at the same time as the alarm is set for. Alexa doesn’t run the routine for me, it’s just at the same time.
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The office at my work has cameras and the sign warned of video and audio recording. The audio part was taped over and only video is recorded. Not sure if it’s for legal reasons or not.
Probably taped over by workers not wanting to be recorded.