Can we assume that the promise of Nest support is officially buried?
To drift back to the original post - that Ecovent is wicked coolā¦but expensive to do my upstairs alone! However, if it works well, that would have a really high WAF!
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I get the impression premium will contact people you know, but not issue calls to law enforcement and keep track of alarm permits. It looks like all the pieces would be in place to notify you in case something happened regardless of power/Internet outage, but you would still have to call and hopefully be around your phone at the time.
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The most exciting and seemingly overlooked part of the Smartthings announcement is that the hub v2 will have a ālocal app engineā. By far my biggest frustration with the ST system to date has been long and variable latencies for relatively simple actions, and hopefully this will address this issue. I think it is great news!
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I am interested on when the Samsung Smart TV app that was discussed will be available? I would love to turn on the lights and change modes using my tv remoteāŗ
I am also curious as to the size of the new motion sensor that is 1/3 smaller than the version 2 sensor which is already pretty small.
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It surely looks that way. Nest is building its own walled garden and does not want any trespassers.
@geko Which is interesting as Google owns them now. Obviously some of that old Apple cultureā¦
Joining Mr. Yoon on stage, SmartThings CEO Alex Hawkinson underscored Samsungās vision for an open infrastructure.
āFor the Internet of Things to be a success, it has to be open,ā said Hawkinson. āAny device, from any platform, must be able to connect and communicate with one another.
Cannot agree more. To be truly open the SmartThings hub must support basic TCP socket communication protocol (telnet), not just HTTP. This is technically possible with the current hub hardware and was actually promised to the development community back in October. Now, with all this euphoria about hub V2, Iām afraid this will fall through the cracks.
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Itās Googleās culture alright. I lost faith in their products when this happened
while SmartThings canāt officially integrate with them, you can at least install community built integration with Nest. Thatās the beauty of SmartThings and thatās why I think that it will succeed
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@geko why do you want tcp access? Not just json/ml served up from the hub?
These are two different use cases. TCP socket support would allow integrating SmartThings hub with myriad of existing devices without requiring HTTP bridge, for example Envisalink 3 for integrating with alarm panels, iTach IR bridge for audio/video integration, etc. If you search the board, youāll find a lot of stuff that could be easily integrated should ST opened up TCP socket comms. BTW, Iām talking about outbound socket, as opposed to inbound HTTP/JSON, although that would be welcome as well.
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āIf you like your doctor, you can keep your doctorā ā¦ #thanksObama
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Will the new hub only be for users paying for the āPremiumā service? Thatās what Engadget said in their article but I havenāt seen that mentioned elsewhere yet?
If you can only use the new hub with the premium service Iām ditching this whole system. The current hub doesnāt really function with its insane amount of lag and false alerts, false presense, its just broken.
Please tell me the hub v2 will work without a subscription.
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Where did you read that? The only article I could find on their site is http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/05/samsung-smarthings-hub-and-service/ with a link to Business Wire.
I donāt think that this is the case. I am pretty sure that v2 will be available to all irrespective of subscription level.
I feel like maybe they cleaned up their wording since I read it this morningā¦ that or Iām more awake now.
Maybe I read āThe Hub isnāt launching by itself.ā and the following part about premium service as likeā¦ the hub wonāt be available by itself without the service.
Myā¦ badā¦ lol.
Soooooooo, about Nestā¦ This silence from ST means: forget about it and move on?
Great stuff. Q1 is now April. No one has said that the same features we enjoy today will be available on hub v2
Nor has anyone said, after hub v2 launch they will continue to allow ALL functionality we have on hub v1.
Lastly, no upgrade path has been announced.
And, since we all have basically been beta testing this hub v1 for hub v2, hopefully ST will do some sort of community beta test, starting ASAP.
But, my guess is they are looking for vendor lock-ins, exclusivity and additional revenue streams, err services aimed away from their core.
ST missed the boat, every vendor in the consumer space is announcing some sort of Zigbee / Zwave hub or tablet, or widget to control the IoT. Open is the only way to go to win.
The Samsung effect has begunā¦ 6 months of silence, and this is what they show at CES? Iām very disappointed.
What will make it better?
If the hub v2 actually supports local sockets at launch.
If the hub v2 actually has true camera integration, live video, save a snapshot an email / sms it or archive it
If the app actually has full UI control over a devicetype or smartap for the community and not just āApproved partnersā
If they actually make the much discussed improvements to the API and IDE and expose more of the core services.
If they have local storage on the hub v2 and local access within or outside of the app of that storage.
If they have local API access to the hub to avoid roundtrips to the server for simple status checks.
If the hub v2 has local UDP support along with local sockets
If the app has better media intergration options, like simulating button pushes for all types of remote / media control
If the app has a list view to show data better (table view as well)
These and many more issues have plagued ST since the beginning. Where were these announcements? Sure, a lot are āin the weedsā but these are the things that are clearly putting ST in stalled mode.
Is ST a hardware / hub / device company? Or is it an integration, software and services company? Seems like it wants to be all, but failing to deliver on any as the best in class.
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Sorry, I keep hearing Nest this and Nest that on this site. But SmartThings has mentioned a lot of changes had to be made to support it, and they were working on it. (Note: NEST defined the rules SmartThings has to meet, not the other way around).
Additionally, many thermostats exist that are far better than Nest, that are already integrated. I personally use an Ecobee thermostat, and love it. Nest wasnāt even the first on the market for this technology, they were just the one who spent the most on marketing, and made it look āprettyāā¦
People need to be patient, or switch. Thatās my opinion. Sorry, I am venting a bit, its just getting tiringā¦
And everyone, come on. It was an announcement. More details will come out soon enoughā¦ be patient. We donāt get to see all the cards in the deck immediately. They (Tyler) even already said in this thread that more info will come soon.
Lets focus on the good news we have heard, and see where SamThings is taking usā¦
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Or perhaps, SmartSung?
All I know is hub v2 better still allow things to text one at least person when events happen the way it does now.