Any Z-Wave Thermostat?

[tgauchat (ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy)]

@JDRoberts

I use the typical definition of scenes, both zigbee and zwave use it…

To the best of my knowledge, this can be “easily” implemented with a SmartApp (and perhaps some Virtual Devices to trigger and/or hold scene state data if necessary).

Ref: Scene Machine as a pretty good Proof of Concept.

Reference this thread that I rather dislike because too many participants dismiss “Scenes” as unnecessary in SmartThings, smh.

But you know of this thread already since you’ve participated extensively…

Are there scenes?

Greetings! I’m a brand new Smartthings user, but I’ve used home automation devices for about 15 years. In the case of Smartthings, I think that’s more of a hindrance than a benefit, because it looks like Smartthings is designed very differently from any of the solutions I’ve used before. Anyway, here’s my basic question, which for some reason I just can’t figure out: how do I set up a “scene?” I don’t know if ST calls them something else, but I’m coming from using Vera, where everything was pretty much divided into devices and scenes. This is limiting in some ways but exactly what I need in others. Most of the time, I don’t actually want my automation solution to think too much for me. Sometimes I just want to be able to hit a button and have all the lights in a room turn on to preset dim…

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So, in Summary…

Without taking this Topic on a further tangent (we can, however, start a new Topic if desired for discussion…):

1. SmartThings should not imply they are “fully” or comprehensively Z-Wave compatible, unless “partial compatibility” is de facto in the industry and marketing materials across Z-Wave products.

2. SmartThings should improve their “Works With SmartThings” web page (NB: pre-sales web page!) to clearly distinguish “full supported devices” vs. those that are partially supported, in development, in Beta, Labs, etc… I think the hover “i” indicator is insufficient, but, well, at least it’s there.

3. Given #1 (i.e., SmartThings is not and may never be a fully Z-Wave (or ZigBee?) compliant / compatible system), Customer and Developers should never expect the Z-Wave and/or ZigBee definition of “Scenes” to be implemented. This should be made clear pre-sale as well. However, many of the elements of those standard definitions of “Scenes” can be emulated without any platform architecture changes (i.e., can be implemented with only SmartApps and/or Virtual Scene Devices). It would be interesting to explore, confirm, and document the exact aspects of “Scenes” that can be implemented in ST (i.e., the minimal incremental feature request), and then compare this implementation of “Scenes” bullet-by-bullet with the Z-Wave and ZigBee standards, and any other applicable similar standards (Lutron?).

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I hope my Summary is accurate, but respectfully suggest we spin off to a New Topic for further discussion, and/or move to an existing applicable Topic.

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