Water Heater Automation

I currently have a intermatic pool timer on my water heater. Does a 240v appliance module exist, or do I need to kludge something with a relay?

Here is the link to the manufacturer’s web site of the switch/relay I used. It says that it works 90/260v

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Thanks, but at 10 amps max, it’s about 20 amps too short. I am now looking at one of these but not sure it’s supported by SmartThings:

Check this out:

It looks like one switch will work.

Good news: I received my first gas bill after running my water heater timer for a month and it is about $15 (or 70%!!!) lower than the previous month. Since the only other thing we use had for in the summer is cooking, I attribute the saving to the timer. Total cost of the switch, cables, box, was about $50 - so I will break even after about 3 month!

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For those interested, I’ve created an event-driven app that can be used for @pizzinini 's use case, and for many others - like:

  • turn on demand when bathroom door closes, off when it opens
  • demand when motion detected near the kitchen sink
  • demand when the laundry room light is switched on
  • demand when a pocket door starts moving (I have pocket doors on 2 of my bathrooms)
  • demand every XX minutes
  • DON’T demand if the return temperature (as read by any ST temperature sensor) is above a set temp

All only when the location is in “Home” mode (or whatever you desire). The idea being (of course) to run the recirculator just prior to when you need hot water.

http://community.smartthings.com/t/green-smart-hot-water-recirculator/7085

And for those interested in this kind of thing, I highly recommend looking at RedyTemp recirculation systems.

http://www.redytemp.com

Their basic unit can be installed to run until the return temperature (as measured by a stainless steel temp sensor installed in the water pipe) reaches a settable temperature. This one is partcularly money saving - you can keep your water hot, but stop pumping once the temperature is reached. I’ve mimicked this in my SmartApp, and added the ability to turn demand on when the temp falls below the target.

Enjoy!

I just stumbled upon this little gem: http://www.gaswaterheatertimer.com/

Seems simple enough.

Sorry for the dead thread revival.

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Nice setup. For my Electric Water Heater I have a similar setup.
After a few attempts, this is my method for controlling my Water Heater.

GE Light Switch on the water heater
4in1 Motion Sensors in the BathRoom and Kitchen
HEM (Home Energy Monitor)

How it works:
Motion detected in the Bath or Kitchen - Water Heater switch turns on with a five minute OFF delay
HEM is set to 400 Watts below the max wattage of the water heater, when the wattage is below that, the water heater switch turns off. (Solar panels required this setting). HEM also has a high Wattage setting to prevent the heater from turning off too soon.
Timer: Switch turns on at 4:30am to heat water for morning use. Takes about 35 minutes.

How it works:
If someone is in the kitchen, the heater comes on, if hot water is being used, the heater will stay long enough to reheat the water that is used or shuts off 9 minutes after no motion is detected.
When the shower/bathtub/sinks or washer is in use, the heater is on and stays on until the heater reheats the water. (Hot/warm water use only)
Leave the house the heater is off.
Go on vacation or go to sleep the heater will turn on at 4:30 am, this makes sure there is hot water when I return/wake up, and do not have to wait for the water to heat up.

Result: The water heater is off for most of the day even if people are in the house. and only on for 35 minutes each day when on vacation.

Why I like this setup:
1: The water heater will turn on if someone is in front of the bathroom sink or tub or in the kitchen.
2: The water heater will only stay on long enough to reheat the water.
3: The HEM wattage settings takes into account high wattage devices. (Oven, Split system AC)
4: As long as there is power to the house, there is always ‘On Demand’ hot water.

Stuart

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@killarblaze007 Which GE Light Switch switch did you use for your setup? Do I need a specific model? I have one of these at home and I was wondering if it was the same as the one you used.

I have an electric heater and I am interested in trying this solution.

Thanks.

The GE 12722 switch has a max power rating from ~600W for incandescent (1800W resistive) . It will depend on your heater but a typical electric water heater uses ~4,000W. Dependent on what safety is built into the switch it may still work but I would not advise.

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That’s the one I use.

I’ve been using this setup for about 18 months. The current programming has been in use about 6 months No problems and works like charm for me.

The water heater plugs into a 110V receptacle.The switch turns off/on the receptacle. The heater is 1300W. I had an electrician install the switch while he was installing a neutral for the micro switches on the ceiling fans. He seemed to think the switch would be OK for this type of use.

GE12722 Z-Wave Wireless Lighting Control On/Off Switch
Aeon Labs Aeotec Z-Wave Multi-Sensor (Not the newest model) 1 Bath / 2 Kitchen
Aeon Labs Aeotec Z-Wave Home Energy Meter, 2nd Edition (DSB28-ZWUS)
Vera 3 running firmware 1.5

Stuart

If you have a normal high wattage heater, get a Aeotec Heavy Duty Switch. You’ll have to hardwire it in. If you’d like a physical decora style switch to control the heater, you can use a Linear WT00Z and then use ‘big switch’ or duncan’s accessory switch device type to pair the two directly (or use a minimote).

Recently added a spare Aeon Labs DSC18103-ZWUS micro switch into the config. Now I don’t have to worry about what the AC or washer is doing and can control ON/OFF functions based on the wattage reading directly from the water heater.

Please Note: This hardware configuration is based on what is in my house. I thought Pizzinini’s setup was interesting and posted mine. I didn’t really expect anyone would try to duplicate it without checking their own water heater specs/requirements first.
We tend not to use Gas or 240V water heaters where my house is. (Bermuda) - My apologizes for not being clear in my first post.

If you have a gas water heater timer, you can control your water heater with Z Wave or any other home automated device by using an appliance module to link you to your smart phone, tablet, computer or touch pad for your home system. You can get more information from the gas water heater timer website.

Just ordered my gas water heater timer pictured above. Its shipping out today and also ordered a new leviton appliance module to hook that sucker up to. Will be hard to measure my savings right now due to the furnace running but I hope that this does help since I plan to put the heater to sleep when no one is home and when we’re asleep.

Got my timer in on Wed and the Leviton Z-Wave Appliance module (I had a dimmer module but thought that it wouldn’t be a good idea to have this turned on and off with dim) in yesterday. Setting this up couldn’t be easier. I had to adjust the stop point on the timer to have it set to the heat setting that we have our heater set at. But well its now turning on at 6am so the water is up to full temp by the time we start our morning showers, and it shutsoff when the goodbye routine runs. Curious to see my gas usage drop. I know it’ll be hard to see right now in the winter but we’ll see.

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How are you controlling a gas water heater? Is it a pilotless model?

Seems a little “iffy” to me, the gas valve is just not designed for being turned up and down numerous times. Think about it, over the life of a water heater it might get adjusted 10 times.

I am controlling a water heater with a pilot, so the gas valve does not get adjusted. In case you want to control an electrical heater you may want use a stronger relay