If the interface is a primary factor, look into SharpTools. 
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I’m happy with actiontiles and one time purchase
Thanks
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There’s native dashboard with Hubitat and it’s both local and cloud but not as nice as Sharptools or Actiontiles
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I bought early and now have 2 Hubitat hubs but I don’t use them for much since the ST platform has become rock solid in performance and their new app is finally maturing. I also find it too confusing to have two different systems in my home. I only use both to support my development work with HousePanel which supports both platforms. I think their solution is pretty good but see no compelling reason to use it over ST given its ultimate end game remains murky.
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I migrated fully to HE about a year and a half ago. I have two hubs and I’ve installed a couple for family members as well, and I’ve had performance issues from the start. Though the HE staff is active in the community, I think they’re more interested in delivering new device compatibility than they are actually addressing stability and performance. To be honest, I don’t think they know how to find the problem or have backed themselves into an architectural corner, and they have therefor stopped responding to support requests. I know there are a lot of people having nothing but success with HE, but there’s a large amount of us that are not as is evident in the forums.
I’ll be pulling the plug, if their next release doesn’t address performance and latency (the point of a local system is low latency and reliability - 5-15 second intermittent latency is not acceptable). I’ve recently begun dropping support for the applications and integrations I’ve developed for their platform. Whether or not I’ll move back to ST until a better local option is available, I do not yet know.
Of those, how many are running multiple HE hubs i.e. devices on one hub, automations on another hub, and perhaps another master hub to control everything. And also, how many are doIng the recommended automated daily reboots to prevent slowdowns?
Don’t hate me! I am just stating what they write in their forum 
I don’t know the numbers, but there are quite a few power users with multi-hub setups. The HE staff recommends against frequent reboots. They also claim the hub is not resource constrained and multiple hubs should not be required. Most of us suffering latency and sluggishness use an app called rebooter or rootin’ tootin’ rebooter. Despite the reboots, the latency still occurs, the reboots tend to prevent hub lockups.
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Only reason I have not completely switched to HE is due to lockups and have to reboot. I know they are still an infant when it comes to hubs, but maybe one day.
I think you should port your presence governor app over to ST whether you move back or not 
I’m using both right now and your app is by far the most logical approach I’ve seen to presence on either platform.
As far as 1 vs the other, I feel HE needs a boost in performance. The devs say the hardware is more than capable, but the slowdowns and reboots are a real thing. The solution of “remove any custom devices and apps” just doesn’t work for me since custom devices and apps are what really give the customization needed to do what I want. I schedule a nightly reboot to keep things speedy. The slowest I’ve had my hub running would be about equivalent to when the cloud is running slow, so it’s bearable when it’s at its worst. I’m keeping ST in use for the ADT alarm, all my Schlage locks, and any cloud dependent devices. Then linking HE and ST together using hubconnect.
No I don’t. The only time I’ve pulled the power plug is when the hub is unresponsive, in other words cannot be soft booted and is locked up. I’m not sure to what you’re referring. I think you should take some time to read my related posts on the HE forums, where I describe very clearly what’s been going on for a year and a half. No it’s not custom apps that are the problem. I stripped it down to native and still had the issue, in fact it’s worse on the HE native apps.
I feel that it is unfair for some Hubitat users who are beta testers to speak up publicly about their experience. I know that Hubitat doesn’t force anyone to sign any type of disclosure agreements, but like SmartThings, they have dedicated beta support. There are recent posts by Hubitat staff that they are making progress towards resolving the performance issues experienced by some power users who seem to refused to offer any meaningful information to identify why their custom code is negatively impacting their hub. I have used some of these apps and while they provide neat features, I realized that a local hub that is reliable and running fast, even when the internet is down, means more to me than loading my hub with crap.
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You’re WAY off base April. Again, before you make your judgement you should actually understand, you making some accusations here about my participation in the forums and with support that just simply aren’t true.
As I stated previously and many times on the forum (to which I’ve contributed greatly), I reset my hub and radios months ago and started from scratch with all native drivers and apps. Not beta. Running with only native apps, I worked very closely with support and the HE staff to help identify the problem. When they couldn’t find it, and they could no longer blame custom drivers and apps, they gave up and stopped trying or responding to support requests.
I’m glad your experience is positive with HE. Many people are having no problems what so ever. My experience is not the same, you’re welcome to find my opinion unfair, that’s your prerogative and there’s nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.
I’m sorry, sir. It seems that you assume that you are the target of this post. That would be incorrect. Had that been the case, I would have responded to you directly. As you can see, I’ve responded in general to the original post. I happen to use both hubs and enjoy my environment very much. I’m taken aback that you would accuse me of this.
Maybe I mistook your intent. But you did @ me directly in your post.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. My post above (see below) Does not mention anyone or target anyone. I’m sorry you feel this way. I am entitled to my opinion.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion. Your original post was flagged by community members and you’ve since deleted the contents. You @ me in that original post in which you called me unfair and told some fibs about my posts in the HE community, to which I was responding. It was pretty safe for me to assume your subsequent posts on the same subject directly following my responses, were directed at me. If not, my mistake. I too am entitled to my opinion. And on this subject I am finished.
I feel like this is not a popular opinion here but I decided to leave the ST platform last month and moved to HE. I had ST for years and used webcore along with it. Why? I don’t have anything against the product but I just couldn’t keep it as reliable as I wanted it to be.
Pistons would fire and routines would run great for a few weeks and then out of the blue they would just stop. I think I asked webcore about my first issue a long time ago and they said it was an issue with ST. I asked ST and I don’t recall the response. These types of things seemed to happen around firmware updates with ST and would sort itself out after a few days but routines would just be broken (lights left on, doors unlocked, etc.).
Finally, last month, a few things happened that pushed me to HE. First, my internet went out. Typically not a very big concern because it rarely happens to me but we arrived home and no routines fired. We, of course, just treated it like a regular house until internet was back but got me thinking about local processing and what ST was doing on that front.
Then, I think the email was next, telling me to “Get ready to make the switch”; from Classic app to the New app for ST. I have tried and tried to like the new app over classic but just couldn’t. It looked better but losing functionality that I was using in Classic just wasn’t something I wanted to do and some things just didn’t work. Device status wouldn’t be right. Most of the time I would open it and it would say the hub was offline when it clearly wasn’t. Things like that.
The, I believe was a huge outage. Woke in the morning, tried to run routines to turn the heat and lights on downstairs and nothing happened and hub was offline for real. This was pretty early (4:30AM PT) and I was tired and grumpy but decided then to give another platform a try.
I found the transition to HE pretty easy even though I understand many have issues or take a long time. I had mine transitioned in a weekend. I hated to lose SharpTools widgets but found I can make some really nice ones with Tasker. I do find it to be faster than my ST but not sure if that is because of the local processing or not. I don’t have any devices that don’t work with it (Hue, Yale Z-wave and Zigbee locks, Z-wave light switches, and Iris plugs) all work. I guess my Mysa thermostats don’t but they work really well with IFTT and just connected that to a switch in HE.
I have found Rule Machine to be more reliable for me than webcore was but there were some bugs at the start that I was able to take care of pretty quickly with trial and error. I actually like the dashboard capability a lot more than the static layout of ST and having it on the PC is also very nice for me. I expected the wife to complain but she likes it better too. I actually ended up building my own house panel dashboard since I am an HTML developer and felt it was much easier to make the API calls to HE than ST but never really considered doing it for ST anyway.
I haven’t found the need for regular reboots of the HE hub yet and no slowdowns but I have only been using it for a month now (maybe a tad longer). We’ll see how that goes. I think doing that would be fine though. There were other little things that bugged me about ST (the need to go Incognito in order to access the IDE, the Samsung/SmartThings user migration that never really got sorted for me, getting firmware updates whether I wanted them or not, etc.) so a regular reboot interval on HE wouldn’t bug me as much as those.
Just my opinion and experience. I find HE to be more solid and reliable but I have spent a lot of time to make it exactly what I want it to be (checking logs to take care of errors before they become issues like a maniac) where It was more difficult to do with ST when things didn’t go the way I wanted. Being allowed to set it to a good state and forget it and not need to worry about an upgrade messing it all up is just plain nice.
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I really regret writing such a negative post on Smartthing’s forum, but these are truly my thoughts and feelings about ST vs Hubitat. Im just telling it the way it was.
I unquestionably think Hubitat is a superior product. I think its “OS” is more reliable and the local processing makes so much more sense. While using Smartthings and Webcore for 2 years I was constantly “debugging” pistons that worked for awhile and then failed for for awhile and then work again. I redesigned all my pistons to have only one trigger, and triggers were only used by one piston. Still periodically pistons did not run.
The straw that broke my back was when Smartthings /Samsung released new hub firmware in the middle of December 2019 just before Christmas. Suddenly devices were missing triggers often. My wife was about ready to kill me. After spending more time debugging, I finally looked in the forums and saw many other people with the same issues. The newly released firmware had bugs, yet no one was admitting it. All through the Holidays Smartthings users had to live with the problem until early January when people got back to work and fixed it.
I have been in software development for 30 years, and YOU DO NOT RELEASE SOFTWARE UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED TO SUPPORT IT especially just before a major holiday. This coupled with the Classic vs New mobile app fiasco tells me a lot.
So I switched to Hubitat a couple months ago and I am very please. Spending hours trying to figure out why sometimes things don’t work is over. Hubitat has been very solid so far, it just works.
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I ordered a HE hub last night for many of the same reasons. Hopefully, I’ll find it as “solid” as you do.
Yes, please do post back if you don’t. Since I used ST for 2 years and Hubitat for only 2 months, I will definitely be back to update my post if I have issues with Hubitat. So far so good.