I assume when you ask about a micro, you are talking about one of these:
Don’t even both with the micro switches. Especially since you can get the full replacement switches for the same price or even cheaper.
Save the micro switches for speciality applications.
Thanks all… kind of what i was thinking. Price is same. or roughly…
@beckwith yeah i am referring to one of the many version of these micro dimmers (like you image)
@docwisdom Assume you meant they cost they same so you would always do full switches?
True, if you’re in love with Decora…
@natescook1 precisely. I would always go full replacement of the switch unless it was a specialty application where that wouldn’t work, then I would resort to the micro.
@Mike_Maxwell I think its worth switching to decora versus the out of sync pain with the micros. The WAF is way too high.
I think you need to look at it as if you built your house from scratch, then go from there.
For home automation, momentary wall switches are key as I addressed above. Thus Jasco/GE is a good choice. Most people including myself are quite pleased with these. However, this may not be a choice in retrofit situations.
Then there is personal style preference. My wife prefers decora style for its looks, but my son and I prefer the classic switch that only takes an up or down swipe to toggle. Even if I could convince my wife my preference, I can’t find classic momentary switches, so that is out.
Of course after I put in the GE/Jasco switches my wife sees the Legrand Adorne switches and asks why can’t we get that? @Mike_Maxwell has a good hack for that.
Thus, the other thing to consider is consistent looking style.
the adorne are sexy, Id like to at least see Vizia support
those are nice but not so easy on the pocket book!
I had two considerations. One was least cost automation. The other was incremental modernization. The former is where the switches come in. The latter consideration includes both Designer format switches AND LEDs… I used both aeotec inwall dimmers (no more crude on/off!), and Evolve dimmers where appropriate. The difference is wall boxes where I am automating all in it vs those boxes where I am only automating one switch for now. As a footnote, Very few vendors support dimming LEDs. This was a BIG consideration for me. Only Evolve and Cooper appeared to support this. Not GE. I called them, they have no plans to support it at this crime. Please keep this in mind or you will be buying them twice!
FWIW: I’ve been using a GE dimmer with LEDs probably about a year now with no difficulties.
Retrofitting my house built in the 60’s has been a huge pain. I was ready to buy enough GE/Jasco switches to outfit the entire house, but then I found out only 2 of the boxes had neutral run to them and the idea of fishing them to all the other ones makes a a little sick to think about. The current plan is to install Micro Switches in the ceiling where all the needed wires can be easily hooked up. The last piece of this is finding a switch that’d acceptable to guests and my wife. So far @Mike_Maxwell’s idea he posted above appears to be the best way to make it work seamlessly, has anyone else ran into similar situations and found any other workable solutions?
Is there any micro switch like Aeon Labs Micro switch ?
Figaro makes some as well, I think the EU versions are available maybe…
I went to see the Adorne switches in store today, they are veeery nice, my girlfriend wants nothing else now.
Glad we can hack the paddle to momentary as my current 3 way are soa nnoyting where it’s never always up or down to turn lights on/off.
I guess you can use the micro on a push, sofTap or push Adorne too, but instead of being 5$ each they are up to 50$… plus de 30$ microswitch…
I have two micro dimmers & microswitches. They are pretty, and they have been consistent, BUT they are designed without any thought to actual functionality.
First, the electrical connections are held in place with tiny – and I mean tiny – screws that simply do not have the ability to keep the wires in place. So installation takes forever because one wire or another ends up falling out when you attempt to push it into the back of the box. Its just a huge PitA. Second, if you need to add / exclude the z-wave, you have to take it out of the wall. Third, the micros take noticeably longer to react to any zwave command than other switches take to react.
why do you have to take it out of the wall? Can’t you get an Aeotec minimote up close to include/exclude in place?
Also…the gen 2 micros out later this year are supposed to improve on the dinky wire issue. We’ll see what actually arrives.
On the delay, try putting a repeater directly across from the switch on the opposite wall. That sometimes helps. Repeaters on the same wall of perpendicular often get blocked by the switch box.
I suppose I don’t have to take it out of the wall – just as much as I don’t have to have an umbrella when it rains because I could instead build an escalator inside of a glass bubble to take me where I need to go.
If the solution requires me to purchase two completely separate devices to accomplish what a normal , cheap switch already does, then that’s no solution at all.
On the Aeon’s:
10 toggles of the switch puts the device into pair/exclude mode, probably not so well documented on their end, bad aeotec…
The default ST device does the Aeon’s no justice whatsoever, I wrote a device specific one, instant reporting and response.
It’s not that big of a deal to install them, even with their midget terminals, I use pigtails.
I’ve installed 25 of these in my house, and if I had to do it over again, I would go the exact same route.
And finally, I and my wife love the Legrand adorne aesthetic, so there were few other options to make that happen without getting stupid expensive.
Did you submit your device type to ST?
I looking into a kind of z-wave device that can send z-wave signal when it detects power through the line. Can these micro switches be used ?
I mean, in scenario described above. If a person manually presses on the push button, does the ST receive a z-wave notification from that inwall-switch that status was changed ?
Sorry for basic question, it is just not cleary documented in what I have read so far