Is there a answer out there?! Self-monitored security system with panel that works with ST, Google Home, and SmartThings


(David Stafursky) #1

All I want is a system that…

  1. Self monitor with push notifications and/or texts and/or emails WITHOUT alarm.c0m or alarmgrid.
  2. Has a display panel for arm/disarming
  3. Will work with my Nest cameras, smoke detectors and thermostat.
  4. Works with my switches, light bulbs, ST and Google home
  5. Is DIY install
  6. Trigger an outlet to power my exterior horns and strobes when alarmed.

Does this exist? I looked at ADT/ST for example, it does what I want except trigger an outlet device. Others you need a .com or doesn’t have a panel. Any suggestions?


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #2

I strongly recommend a less ambiguous Topic title, please. It’s considered really poor forum etiquette to not help readers decide what to read.

In fact, I don’t quite understand your question at all.

Are you asking: “Is there a single product that can do it all”?

Or are you asking: “Is there a specific combination of SmartThings product(s) and 3rd party add-ons and custom code” that will satisfy a specific set of requirements?


#3

You should be able to use “a man in the middle” with the ADT/SmartThings security panel in the following way

The ADT Security Hub can be used without an ADT professional monitoring service. In the event of an intrusion or life safety event, the alarm siren on the ADT Security Hub will be activated and an alert will be sent to your smartphone but ADT will not be notified.

What you will do is trigger off of the alert which is sent to your smart phone and then use that to turn on the outlet.

If you have an android phone, this will be easier, as you can use Tasker plus SharpTools. Or maybe use one of the IFTTT Android channels.

Of course since the “last mile” for that depends on SmartThings, your Internet would have to be working, there’s going to be a cloud piece to this.

@joshua_lyon might be able to say more.

It’s not the way I personally would do it, because of the cloud dependencies, but if you’re OK with that then it should be doable.

If you want everything to be local, then I’m not sure it can be done if you want to have SmartThings still in the mix.


(David Stafursky) #4

"I strongly recommend a less ambiguous Topic title, please. It’s considered really poor forum etiquette to not help readers decide what to read.

In fact, I don’t quite understand your question at all."

The whole idea of a forum is to ask questions. Mine is a question. I also think the question is quite clear. Is there a system out there that does what I would like it to do?


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #5

Thanks for updating the Title, @UncleNasty

@JDRoberts has probably read every combination of solution elements posted by SmartThings users and understands the limitations / constraints / tradeoffs.

If you don’t require local execution, then I’m pretty certain you can rig up a way to use WebCoRE or other SmartApp to trigger a Switch upon alarm.

Which requirement are we missing then?

Arm/Disarm Panel can be achieved with ActionTiles or Iris keypad.


#6

( thanks for the shout. I haven’t read all the code solutions, as text to speech doesn’t work well with code.)

As far as what the OP is asking for, I’m not aware that the home automation side of the ADT/smartthings device is notified if the security side alarms. I think that’s the issue here. If I’m understanding it.

There are many different ways to trigger an alarm on the security side. The panic button can do it. I think there’s an option on the panel itself that can do it. One of the motion or contact sensors being triggered can do it. The smoke sensor or CO2 sensor triggering can do it. There may even be additional ways.

If, as I suspect, the home automation side does not get Notified when the alarm goes off, then we have to capture it either from the original trigger event or from the notification to the user’s smart phone. Or maybe from an acoustic sensor which hears the panel’s siren.

If the trigger event is one of the contact or motion sensors, it’s easy, because those specific device models also show up as sensors on the home automation side. So you can create home automation rule that says “if the motion sensor detects motion, turn on the pocket socket.“ So essentially you end up with one rule on the security side and one rule on the home automation side, but each triggered by the same sensor going off.

But I don’t know if the smoke detector and CO2 detector also show up on the home automation side or not. I just haven’t heard one way or the other. I don’t know if the panic button can trigger a home automation rule. And I’m pretty sure that just using the panel will not trigger a home automation rule.

But when the panel sounds, regardless of the triggering event, it can be set to send a notification to the account holder’s phone. So my first thought was that we could capture that notification and turn it into the “if” for a home automation rule. It’s just that’s a whole lot easier with an android phone than it is with an iPhone. Which is why asked if the OP has an android phone.

Even with an iPhone, you may be able to route it through IFTTT and do it that way, but that would add some additional lag. Plus more cloud. ( same issue if you use an acoustic sensor like the Leo)

But all of this complexity is happening because of the original issue, which is that I don’t think the security side tells the home automation side if an alert is occurring. Maybe I’m wrong on that and the siren on the panel itself shows as a device on home automation side, but I thought it didn’t.

Hopefully someone who actually has the system can tell us more in this regard. :sunglasses:


(David Stafursky) #7

I am entertaining the idea of going with a V2 and action tiles (which I so far really like). I have yet to come up with an solution for the entry/leave delays.

I am also going to take a meter to the ADT/Smartthings panel. I see the board mountings for a siren. Of course there isn’t a screw terminal but if it actually puts voltage here I can add an external device.


#8

There’s a popular custom smartapp that can do entry/exit delays, but because it’s custom, it can’t run locally.

You can find additional security – related custom smart apps by looking on the quick browse lists in the community – created wiki, looking in the smart app section, and then looking on the “security“ list.

You can also check the project report section for reports on how people have integrated with various other security systems if you like.

http://thingsthataresmart.wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Quick_Browse_the_Community-Created_SmartApps_Forum_Section


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #9

Per this post in the main ADT Topic, the ADT Panel appears as a “Thing”, and indeed has an “Alarm” Attribute. In theory, it should be trivial to have a (non-local) SmartApp subscribe to this Attribute…


#10

You can get a zwave siren and hook that up to webCore. Just get individual devices that do what you want. The push notifications is the easiest part.


(Jimmy) #11

We already provided the webcore solution in another thread with a link to the specific discussion and the ADT part. Not sure why it didn’t meet the OPs need, though.


#12

I saw that, but I haven’t seen anybody confirm the fields actually get populated in a useful way.


(ActionTiles.com co-founder Terry @ActionTiles; GitHub: @cosmicpuppy) #13

Well… It’s super easy to find out; though it might require setting off some false alarms!


(Dale DrozenMancave) #14

My Issues with the ADT/smartthing partnership. I am contemplating which system to put in two houses. One of the houses is hardwired, but ADT came in and bypassed it leaving me with all of their wireless sensors that will only work with ADT system. If I am reading all of this correctly they are doing the same thing now by not alowing the joint system to trully integrate. If and this is a big if ADT/ST are partners why not configure so the system can mix Zwave, Zigbee, and ADT equally? My fear after setting two homes up with Iris is ADT gobbling up ST makeing all but the ADT sensors 2nd class citizens. Just an overview from a prospective buyer.


#15

Zwave prior to the newest S2 standard ( which even the newest smartthings hubs do not support yet) and the zigbee protocol that smartthings uses are not UL listed for security. And one reason is that Mesh is inherently less reliable for security alerts because messages can and do bounce around the network a bit and you have no forced sequencing. This isn’t an ADT decision, it’s just the reality. You will get more false alerts and may have more missed alerts with the mesh protocols.

There are many home security systems which use zwave for home automation but not for triggering calls to professional monitoring, including ADT’s own Pulse System, Abode, Xfinity Home, Vivint, and others.

Even one of the newest systems, ring’s security system, follows this pattern. You can add third-party Z wave sensors, but you can’t use them with the professional monitoring system. It does have some S2 zwave sensors which it will use, but only very specific models.

Before you rush and add third-party sensors you need to know that Ring Alarm doesn’t trust them as much as its own, approved sensors.
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A third-party sensor is incapable of triggering Ring Alarm if the system is armed. That means if I’m out of my house and someone opens the door with the GE door hinge sensor on it, Ring Alarm won’t notify a neighbor (if I have that function enabled), it won’t sound a local alarm, and it won’t notify the third-party alarm-monitoring center.

So they just aren’t equally fit for the purpose of security. At the same time, mesh is a much more cost effective way to handle light switches and outlets for a medium size or larger home.

for me, a bigger concern would be will ADT drop the partnership altogether and offer their own DIY model line. So far they haven’t been interested in that, but you do have to wonder if that day is going to come.