Rule machine - as per the app developer, this app is no longer available for new installs, distribution, or support

[jlv]

@Turb02

When my SHM sensor goes off saying that a downstairs window is open when Im laying in bed, my first reaction is to:
1.) grab my boom stick
2.) get my wife into our secure room
3.) clear my upstairs floor on my way to my kids room (to get them back to the secure room)
…

When I read all that, my first reaction was thinking maybe move to a better neighborhood!

[Turb02 (Kavvy)]

I live in a very nice neighborhood. My military and fatherly instincts are what keeps my family and things protected.

[bamarayne (Jason "The Enabler" as deemed so by @Smart)]

@Turb02

I live in a very nice neighborhood. My military and fatherly instincts are what keeps my family and things protected

And nothing gets the blood flowing like clearing the floor of familiar territory in the fear of meeting an intruder and the pure joyful bliss of hoping there is one!

[chickwebb]

Good news, all. The new App doesn’t seem to have broken RM. At least on Android.

[Turb02 (Kavvy)]

Exactly what I think!

[mjmcg (Matt)]

Wow. Just wow. I’m late to seeing this because I’ve been away. If this isn’t a wake up call, then nothing will be.

I don’t blame @bravenel one bit for taking Rule Machine down. His app consistently works better, and has infinitely more configurability than the first party options (looking at you Smart Lighting).

The potential of the SmartThings platform is huge, but from a user’s viewpoint, the launch of 2.0 could’ve have been executed worse. It’s impossible to trust the platform, and there’s no knowing when it will be stable. We’ve seen numerous postings about “things will get better” after this update, while each update seems to break something new.

I’ll stick with the platform because the competition is currently lacking, but Z-Wave and ZigBee are standard protocols so those devices could easily move to a new platform should a worthy one appear.

For the record, I’m rooting for team SmartThings. I want to stay.

[Turb02 (Kavvy)]

@mjmcg

should a worthy one appear

*hopes Amazons secret laboratory is hard at work on just that.

[Glen_King]

The tantalizing possibility of course would be for ST to eliminate the cloud as a necessary component. Find a way to nake that part of it run on a local raspberry Pi or something, and you instantly lose all the headache of maintaining and propagating multiple growing server farms. The business model for cloud services without subscriptions isn’t even workable over the long term, so making e whole thing run locally - while it might buck the whole cloud-computing trend - probably makes sense.

Then you can focus on making the app run correctly, instead of waging a constant battle to simply keep up with the growing client load.

[DinnerYeti (Josh)]

Luck favors the prepared.

[campanella (Nora Hacker)]

I did not read through all 4521 posts but I understand RuleMachine does not exist anymore. Is there any successor app? Or can the old package still be retrieved somewhere?

[schapper05 (Jason)]

@campanella

I did not read through all 4521 posts but I understand RuleMachine does not exist anymore. Is there any successor app?

Smartlighting

[NorCalLights (Paul)]

Smartrules, if you have an iOS device.

[GatVlieg]

With all due respect, there is absolutely ZERO that touches on Rule Machines capabilities and VERSATILITY in the ST environment.

As mentioned previously, SmartRules is an option, but only for iOS devices. There is also Simple Rule Builder. When I tried it last year it was functional, but I dropped it in favour of RM. I recently tried to get it functional again, but it errors out upon install. Subject to correction, it appears to be a possible OAuth issue.

J

[guywmartin (Guy Martin)]

So, overall, with both new Android app and new firmware, things are stable (minus a few ‘Unknown Error’ red boxes last night in the app), but definitely slower (several seconds lag time on firing rules for lights based on motion in some cases).

I’ve triple-checked things with Speedtest (consistently over 100MBit down, 5-6MBit up) and also verified my local router QoS parameters are giving my Hub V2 top priority on my local network. It does some to be somewhat time-of-day dependent, which leads me to conclude that the changes ST has made have definitely gone back to the ‘stable but sub-optimal’ category, with overloaded Cloud servers.

So, I guess it’s somewhat good news - I’d rather have stable but slow over fast but potentially chaotic data loss. It’s a shame that in 2016, a company backed by Samsung can’t seem to give us the best of both worlds.

[bamarayne (Jason "The Enabler" as deemed so by @Smart)]

@guywmartin

So, overall, with both new Android app and new firmware, things are stable (minus a few ‘Unknown Error’ red boxes last night in the app), but definitely slower (several seconds lag time on firing rules for lights based on motion in some cases).

I’ve triple-checked things with Speedtest (consistently over 100MBit down, 5-6MBit up) and also verified my local router QoS parameters are giving my Hub V2 top priority on my local network. It does some to be somewhat time-of-day dependent, which leads me to conclude that the changes ST has made have definitely gone back to the ‘stable but sub-optimal’ category, with overloaded Cloud servers.

So, I guess it’s somewhat good news - I’d rather have stable but slow over fast but potentially chaotic data loss. It’s a shame that in 2016, a company backed by Samsung can’t seem to give us the best of both worlds

It looks like the reason for the slowdown has been found. I noticed it with my system to.

Every single Zwave switch in muy house is getting flooded with of command for no reason. The switches are not turning off, they are just reporting or something… @SBDOBRESCU discovered this little gem of coding wonders!

[SBDOBRESCU (Bobby)]

This actually created a very discotheque atmosphere in my bedroom last night. I have a rule to turn off some hue bulbs after a switch turns on, and Smart Lighting actually believed that my switch was turning on every 15 minutes. So bulbs went on and off and back on…thankfully the dim level was set for 1%. I disabled the turn off part and slept with the lamps on…

[guywmartin (Guy Martin)]

Interesting - a cursory check of several of my Zwave switches does not show this behavior, but, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening earlier.

I presume this has been reported to ‘support’?

[bamarayne (Jason "The Enabler" as deemed so by @Smart)]

@guywmartin

Interesting - a cursory check of several of my Zwave switches does not show this behavior, but, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening earlier.

I presume this has been reported to 'support

Yes, it’s been reported.

If you look in the idw, look at the device, the events list, all events.

If you look at the app, turn on the show other events in the debugging. They show up as grey on grey.

[SBDOBRESCU (Bobby)]

If you look at device log, check ‘all’ activity. And yes, it has been reported. More on this, check this thread…

Performance Tracker (Final)

Ha, ha, ha…we went by process of elimination. First we confirmed that the zwave mesh was ok, next came community apps @Mike_Maxwell s Keenct survived because I was firm it wasnt polling any devices… , then we looked as Smart Lighting and by that time we were both tired and just about to give up when I noticed that all of my zwave switches reported activity at the same time. So that was that. The support received was exemplary and didn’t talk down on community apps, they were just first in line up for elimination when troubleshooting.

[guywmartin (Guy Martin)]

Yeah, that’s where I was looking and I haven’t found an occurrence of those off floods in any of my Zwave devices so far. Interesting - was this prior to or after the firmware upgrade for Hub V2?