Osram/Sylvania Lightify (it works)

Use the Smart Lighting app to turn on when someone arrives after Sunset. The only limitation is that you can’t turn it off after a certain amount of time.
The Smart Rules app on iOS also can provide similar features and turn it off after a delay.

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Ohh wow I didnt even dive further into that app. Thank you! can use the Smart Light Timer to turn off after x min.

In order to avoid my wife from flipping the physical switch on/off i have to install a zigbee or z-wave light switch so it syncs up?

I see that GE sells both a zigbee and z-wave ver. any benefit using one or the other for the Osram light?

I don’t see a way to turn the light off after x min after being turned on after arrival. That might be a suggestion for ST to add that feature. You can turn the light off after it stops seeing motion, but it would have to be triggered on with motion. Any help here from anyone else?

Second, don’t put the Osram bulb on a controlled switch because you’ll have competing programs trying to manage the light. Either use a smart bulb or a smart switch.

Finally, if you do want to add bulbs or switches, try to stick to the same system, so if you use Zigbee bulbs (like the Osram), then try to find Zigbee switches. Some Zigbee and Zwave devices “repeat” the signal and can extend your wireless range for that type of device. It is OK to mix and match, I have several of both kinds, so they all are repeating and reach as far as my detached garage!

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There’s nothing built into ST to do complex stuff like this. @Tolik, take a look at Rule Machine and Trigger Happy threads. You’ll have to sign-up for the IDE access as a developer, and be able to copy-paste code from Github; but there are lots of FAQs that will walk you through it. Both those apps are very flexible and powerful, and there’s a thread dedicated to helping folks get the logic correct.

I completely agree about choosing bulbs or switches not both, and to stick to one protocol for the benefit of a stronger mesh if possible.

The issue is my wife keeps flipping the light switch. She doesn’t want to use her phone to turn it on.

In theory, it would make sense to stick with one protocol, but in practice many community members are using zwave switches with zigbee bulbs and it all works out OK. You just need enough devices of both types.

Don’t mix a networked dimmer switch to control the current load to networked dimmer bulbs, but just an on/off switch should be OK and a lot of people do use them to increase the family acceptance factor. (It’s also fine to use a networked dimmer switch, often battery-operated, as a kind of " remote" to control a networked dimmer bulb as long as the instructions are just sent by network command, not current change.) Choice is good. :sunglasses:

Z wave is more popular for fixed point devices like residential light switches in part because it doesn’t run into interference from Wi-Fi. Zigbee can. Since the usual first step in reducing interference is to slightly reposition things, that’s typically a lot easier with a battery operated motion sensor than a light switch.

http://thingsthataresmart.wiki/index.php?title=Z-wave_versus_Zigbee

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I had to remove the little round switch from all my lamps because friends and family kept manually turning them off. I also have put tape over some switches. It’s not pretty, but It works until people get the idea.

I like the idea of having the option to turn the light on/off with a wall switch. The automation part i’d like mostly for simple things like coming home and the light being on already or if motion is detected etc.

Different people have different use cases. In my case we have a lot of people coming through the house, both healthcare workers and my housemates friends, and they don’t necessarily have any access to our home automation system (or even necessarily have smart phones to begin with). So having some traditional switches is helpful.

We also use the Amazon echo for voice control a lot. Everyone likes that one. :smile:

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Maybe using just a smart switch and a basic dumb LED bulb is the better option? You can use your phone or automate the switch same as the bulb, but your wife can use the physical switch without ST losing control of the light. If you also want the dimming functionality, you can always use a smart dimmer switch.

There are use cases for having both smart switch and smart bulbs, and you can use the Big Switch SmartApp to set it so the Osram will mirror the switch on/off, but the Osram won’t be functional if the smart switch is off. All your automations would need to control the switch and you would only control the bulb after the switch is turned on.

For instance, I have a bunch of smart bulbs in recessed cans and a smart switch controls all the cans. Once the switch is on, the smart bulbs allow me to do zone specific dimming/on/off instead of trying to rewire sections and adding additional wall controls. It works ok in this instance because there’s no need to control the bulbs before the switch is turned on, but it does complicate things.

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Again, just depends on what each person needs, I think. If you’re choosing smart bulbs because you want color management or color temperature management, dumb LEDs don’t give you the same features.

Some people who are using both bulbs and switches actually fake it by running constant power to the bulbs and using the switch essentially as a remote. That’s pretty much the same thing as using a battery-operated switch along with the smart bulbs. Automations with the bulbs do work, that’s because the switch doesn’t actually turn off the current load to the bulbs.

At my house we leave the original switches in place with child safety locks on them so that they can be used in an emergency, then add a battery-powered switch nearby as a remote.

So different things work for different people.

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I think anywhere that gets a smart bulb needs to be on a smart switch. Also I am one of the people that does not sick to one protocol. It works nicely for me, I can’t think of a reason to not do it this way unless you have a weak mesh on one of the protocols

I just have to say, I only understand color changing bulbs. Otherwise any uneducated (about ha) person who uses the house will invariably use the switch and kill all automation. I couldn’t bear to tape a switch or hear the complaints about why one person can’t use the app or motion because the other used the switch. Is it just me?

So the switch and the bulb will basically “sync” up. Meaning when the switch is flipped off the bulb will remain “powered” but off state and it will know that it needs to turn back on and vice versa?

Thank you

That is ideal, yes.

The easiest way to do this is with one of the battery powered devices that does not control the load to the light at all. There are now several of these available if you include the ones that just look like a button rather than a switch. But there’s also a couple that do look like switches.

If your local electrical code supports it you can also have the bulbs wired to be always receiving current and then use a non load controlling switch on the wall. That gives you more choices. (Personally I don’t use this because there won’t be any way to turn the lights on and off if the home automation system is down, but there are a lot of people who are happy with this approach. Different things work for different people. :sunglasses:)

Not in my setup, If someone hits the switch to turn off a controllable bulb My automation turns on the switch and sets level of the bulb when it triggers. So yes bulb cannot receive or repeat signal if someone switches the switch off, but the alternative is having someone turn a dumb switch off that you have no automation control of. My wife would Kill me if we couldn’t use the switches.

I by no means am trying to say any other way is wrong, just that the other ways are wrong for me, I don’t want to add extra battery operated switches because:
1 - My house already has a million three, and four ways.
2 - Even if I was able to get my wife to operate just these additional non load switches, It seems virtually impossible to get random family to do this.
3 - I’m a little bit of a control freak - I want to be able to control every piece of electrical equipment I own

Nothing is worse than someone accidental/unknowingly altering lighting behavior. I don’t want my wife waking me up at 2 am because the bathroom light didn’t turn on. Or the in-laws flipping switches then not being able to get the automatons working again.

I’m not entirely sure what you mean.

I would like to basically have the ability to use a switch and the controllable bulb with no additional devices, buttons or remotes or whatnot.

So I’m just thinking of buying a Leviton Model # R02-DZS15-1LZ to replace the “dumb” switch that is there. This way I can let my wife turn the light on and off as she pleases using the switch while the switch and the bulb state stay in sync.

Is this logical or will this not work?

Well basically yes, but I don’t believe that the switch and bulb will stay “in sync” the way you are saying. If someone turns off the switch the bulb by itself is no longer controllable.

If you set up your automations to only control the bulb and someone presses the switch, that automation will fail when it tries to execute.

What I was trying to explain, is that the bulb will turn on if the switch is pressed on, so your automations should just include the switch to be turned on and bulb set level(if wanted to dim it a bit)

I hope that helps explain it a bit -

That’s a load controlling switch.

If The switch controls the current load to the bulb, then when the switch is off, the bulb is off and cannot hear the next network command to turn on. So, no, it will not typically work as you describe.

If your local building codes allow it, you could wire the bulbs to always have power and put that switch on the wall so that it was not controlling the load. Then you could control the bulb by automation or by following the wall switch.

However, if any part of your home automation system was down, the wall switch wouldn’t do anything at all and the Bulb would come on to full power and stay on until the home automation system was restored. That’s OK for some offices, but not typically what people at home want. But everybody’s needs are different.

So you need to consider all three possible situations and the exact behavior that your own family wants to see when they occur:

One) the switch is turned off at the wall

Two) the bulb is changed with an automation

  1. The home automation system is down and someone wants to turn the bulb on or off.

It’s likely possible to get whatever result you want for all three of these but it’s not as simple as swapping out a networked switch for the non-network switch when there are also network bulbs involved.

Also, remember, you do not want a networked dimming switch controlling the current load to a networked dimmable bulb. The results will not be what you expect. Once you have a smart dimmable bulb, you want it to get full current all the time.

But in my experience you can send an on command to the switch and a set dim level to the bulb(if you want it dimmed, if not leave this part out) With pretty much no adverse affects. This is easier than hardwired power to the bulbs, and offers more control.

You will just have to decide if you are OK with the bulb not always having power, You will have to add the turn switch on function to automation’s before changing bulb colors or dimming levels.

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