My Non ST Adventure (2018)

Absolutely correct. The C4 devices are not compatible with Non C4 systems. However…there are ways to get Non C4 devices to work with C4…just saying… but it is kinda a hack and really if you can afford C4 then you can afford to just buy new sensors.

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thanks… Might have been the ZWAVE side with C4… don’t remember, its been a while since i looked at them…

I could just give up all my HA devices and start fresh if i really wanted to go down the route with C4 or Savant or one of the big guys (may add another $3-4K to the mix…)

I will look at Hubitat again…

I bought a Hubitat and am in process on transitioning - but it will be a while before I rely on Hubitat. I need to learn how to better use the dashboard to support the many functions of some of my devices.

I have succeeded in porting my self-developed apps and device handlers to Hubitat and they are up and running as I babble on here. But I still need to work out the Sensi Thermostat and Ring Doorbell to get complete.

Thoughts. It is VERY FAST in local mode. I have had to put delays in some command streams on the Samsung Speakers to avoid collisions, but still VERY FAST!

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I started out with SmartThings, but am just finishing up transitioning to HomeSeer. I also have a Hubitat, but HomeSeer is proving to be much more robust. It’s not cheap, but as noted, you get what you pay for.

If you are only going to control a couple of devices, setting up a dedicated PC running the HomeSeer software doesn’t make sense - but if you have a large implementation (I have 60+ devices), then the cost of the software to make all that pricey hardware work the way you want it doesn’t seem so out of line.

I’ve come to the same conclusion with the HomeSeer switches and sensors. They are not the cheapest, but work really well and have a feature set that is hard to find elsewhere.

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