Just a Button? 1 button, nothing more fancy?

Understood, thank you for sharing. To power-users of the ST community forums, I see how it could be distinguishable as an organized list. For those who are not as familiar with the forum setup, it does not look like a list and is difficult to disseminate info from due to its volume. I recognize the hard work that’s gone into keeping it up, and I went back and read the whole thing now that I’m getting more familiar with the forum structure and how the posting/conversation goes. I’m sure as a regular user it can be frustrating to see redundant posts/questions. From the perspective of a newbie trying to learn, it’s nearly impossible to avoid accidental redundancy. We are lucky to have patient, knowledgeable experts willing to sometimes repeat yourselves in the community, otherwise I’d be literally buried in buttons. Thank you for your time repeating info for me. I will continue to invest time researching before posting new questions.

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Already had the battery die 48 hours into install, BUT the wallmote arrived at 59% charged and I messed with it quite a bit in the beginning (as did my visiting mother, apparently giddy with light-up button fascination). So remains to be seen, but initial thought is that yep it dies fast. 59% to 0 in 2 days is not good even with messing with it. I turned off all button feedback except for the light-up (turned off vibration) to hopefully improve battery.

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Unfortunately, because I rely on text to speech, I can’t contribute to tables in the community – created wiki.

There are other members who have been working on a table format of the buttons list, but while it has been started, it is missing a lot of the items that are in the forum thread and it doesn’t have pictures yet.

I would like to see a lot more tables of this type in the wiki, so hopefully in the future.

http://thingsthataresmart.wiki/index.php?title=Table_of_Button_Devices

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I can help with the table. I just requested an account with ThingsThatAreSmart under username WideSmiler.

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Does anyone know if this works with ST?

http://www.lowes.com/pd/Iris-First-Gen-White-Wireless-Home-Automation-Button/3735313

It won’t.

See the “first GEN” notation.

For its first generation, Iris used a proprietary version of zigbee which is not compatible with SmartThings. Only the second generation those zigbee devices, the ones which are certified to the “zigbee home automation” standard (ZHA) will work with SmartThings.

@WideSmiler, any update on your button adventure? Did you find one you like?

Xiaomi Wireless Buttons don’t work for HUB v1. They are also a pain in the butt to pair.

It’s amazing that a simple push button is possibly one of the hardest things to find… been doing lots of research and I’ve come to the conclusion that I may be better off building one…

Thanks for all the info so far guys as well as the trials of testing…

Found this: https://www.engadget.com/2016/01/05/cassia-hub-bluetooth-router/

Very cool tech… but to get a $10 button working… that’s a lot… still searching for a simple button…

A simple button is easy if it’s mains powered – – it’s just a momentary switch. The issue is when you want it to be battery powered and you want the battery to last more than a week or so.

Both Z wave and zigbee use the concept of “sleepy devices” for small battery powered things like buttons. The button sleeps much of the time and then only wakes up when you press it. The problem is that if the sleep time goes on for too long, it may have become disoriented and it may require a second press before it’s actually connected to the network and processes the button press.

This means different customers will have very different experiences. The people who use the button two or three times a day may be much happier with it than the people who only use it a couple of times a month, because those who use it less frequently may find that it keeps going to sleep. Because of this customer dissatisfaction, a lot of companies have been reluctant to go into it.

If you just want a very simple button that won’t have this issue, use a Wi-Fi button, but be prepared to replace the batteries every couple of months. You can get a dash button from Amazon for about five dollars and repurpose it for this if you want. There are project reports in the community on how to do it. But the battery is soldered in place and can’t be easily replaced, so you may have to get a whole new device every few months if you use it a lot.

There are quite a few “simple buttons” on the buttons FAQ list which will have much longer battery life, but which may have the falling asleep issue depending on how often you use them. So it’s a matter of personal preference.

If you build one yourself and you make it battery-powered, you’ll still run into one of these two issues. But it’s up to you. :sunglasses:

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thanks for all the info… and thanks for keeping this community going as well…

I just ordered an aotec panic button… will see how that goes…

thanks again…

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The Phillips Hue Tap doesn’t require a battery. Why can’t this be replicated as a Z-Wave device? Anyone knowledgeable about this?

That’s using a zigbee green energy protocol. There just isn’t anything comparable in Z wave. Zigbee has always been better at power management, It’s why zigbee sensors are typically smaller but have better battery life than their zwave counterparts. Zigbee green power is just taking this to the ultimate level and using energy harvesting rather than batteries.

If you are an engineer, this is sexy as hell, but if you’re not it will just make your eyes glaze over. But here’s a discussion of goals and comparisons.

https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2013/oct/designing-ultra-low-power-wireless-automation-with-zigbee-green-power

Again, there just isn’t anything comparable in zwave to accomplish this.

Just an update after using the Cooper switch for quite a while… Still on the original batteries. It works about 90% of the time. The fact that it’s surface-mounted with no hole in the wall means that the button doesn’t have any “travel”, so there’s no tactile feedback that you’ve pressed it. Forget wearing gloves when using it, and you’ll be looking at it quite frequently to see if you actually pushed it or not. Still better than nothing, but the longer I have it the further it seems from perfect.

I ordered a couple of these Xiaomi from GearBest but it’s been two months and they have not yet arrived. Any way to get them quicker without spending a fortune?

You can use Amazon dash buttons, you’ll need a computer to route the buttons through, I used a raspberry pi (about £30) but if you buy your buttons on a sale day (like prime day or black Friday) they only cost about £2 plus you get £5 off the product - remove the product once you’ve claimed this though or you’ll order looks roll every time you turn your lights on

For a quick update for future readers, I bought this Sylvania switch to turn on/off all of our outdoor lights, and I love it. I have had it since last fall and it has been reliable with no battery draining issues. When pressed, it turns on 10 outdoor lights that are scattered across our garages and house. Great for when I’m running out to our garage by myself at night.

BUT I also agree that it’s ugly and wouldn’t want to use them throughout the house. I made an exception for this one location where I have a unique setup that allows it to be hidden and still conveniently located.

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