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(Robert Deans) #44

Hi, apologies if this has been raised of if I am missing something obvious. How do people get around adding a delay to setting off the alarm when returning and leaving? i.e. if I open the front door, the sensor will detect is open and set off the alarm before I have time to disarm with the tag!

Cheers

(Scott Chapman) #45

I’ve been playing around with this and trying to coordinate a WebCore piston to manage a virtual presence device, which works great!

The only thing I’ve noticed is that no event gets sent if the switch doesn’t change state. In other words, if I use “Home” twice only the first event gets sent.

I’m guessing this is some issue in the device handler?

(Sean Blanchfield) #46

Hi Scott,

I don’t immediately see the reason this would be the case. I think this is handled around line 475 in the code, and I don’t see any reason this wouldn’t fire twice. It would need a closer look and some debugging output to test the code path down to this section of code, but it is also possible that the device itself doesn’t fire this event if there isn’t a state change between “home” and “away”, in which case there would be nothing we could do. I don’t think I’ll get the chance to debug this very soon, but perhaps you can. You can try adding debug statements in the device handler and watching the “Live Logging” section of the web interface while you try to reproduce the issue. If the device handler never gets entered at all, then it won’t be possible to fix. However, if it does get entered, then something in the device handler is ignoring the second attempt, and we could fix that.

Sean

(Scott Chapman) #47

Yea, I’ve been playing a bit, though I confess I don’t know exactly what I should be looking at. For example I added some debugging statements to the on/off methods but I never see those get called.

(Scott Chapman) #48

I do see that the value is getting set, but an event is not propagating. I figure there are three possible actors; the DH, smartthings, and WebCoRE. One of them must be deciding that since the property value did not change no event needs to propagate.

I believe the WebCoRE folks do not do that.

I guess one thing I could do is add a new custom property to record the timestamp of the last interaction and trigger off that event instead.

(Richard) #49

Looking to purchase this, can anyone see an issue if i use 2 keypads? apart from adding the fobs to each keypad?

I need one near my front and back door as we enter from either.
thanks

(Clint Tworek) #50

Hellom
I am new here and I installed one system out of 4 I need to replace Iris, I went with the Zipato mini keypad and installed the device handler and I was even able to install the rf keys and name them all , however… When I go and hit away or home and touch rf tag it does nothing with the system, the system in code is showing nothing at all for any actions at all… So if anyone here could please help me with this, I would really appreciate it. I will also need to program delays and such as mentioned above, but all still is greek top me.

(Craigo) #51

Hello Team,

I also begun with the Zipato today. Although I have managed the basics so far, I am now trying to set up automation. Again, only simple stuff. But the Smartthings system don’t seem to recognise an ON or OFF status for the device (as a switch). Although strangely the system does detect a change-of-state from the device (as a switch).

The App returns “NETWORK ERROR: Couldn’t add automation”

I have never seen this before, but having played with ON, OFF or Change-of-State, only Change-of-State actually worked. But obviously this is useless when trying to detect an ON or an OFF to make automation decisions.

Interestingly I can get the device to operate as an ON/OFF switch when testing in the Smart Lighting App in Automation in Smartthings. Just not when trying to do any other automation.

Please can someone tell me what I am doing wrong?

Has anyone tested with latest App version?

Regards

(Daniel Consuegra) #52

Question… Before I jump into this device, which seems very promising… any chances it would work with an NFC tag/phone/watch?

My current phone is a Nexus 6, but looking forward all my phones will support NFC I guess…
As a watch I’m currently sporting the Ticwatch Pro with builtin NFC…

If the answer’s yes, I’m jumping right in! :slight_smile:

(Sean Blanchfield) #53

Hi Batman72,

Smartthings can be tricky to configure correctly. If you’ve managed to program the device, then you must have it basically working. To check that it’s generating the on/off events that it’s supposed to, you can look in the smartthings cloud account, find the device (e.g., Show Location -> List Devices -> pick your zipato device) and then click “list events”. This should show you something like this:

Here you see the “switch” events, with values of “on” or “off”. If that much is working for you, then the device is behaving correctly, and the issue is with how you’ve configured other devices to react to it as a “switch” device. FWIW, I find it’s easiest to start with trying to use it to trigger a bulb or something. Once that’s working, you can expand your rules to do whatever else you want.

I hope that’s some help.
Sean

(Sean Blanchfield) #54

Hi Danielccm,

The answer is no. The device is only an RFID reader, not NFC. To the best of my knowledge, NFC devices can’t be detected by an RFID reader. In addition, the device’s product materials make no claims about NFC.

If you mainly want to avoid carrying around an RFID tag on your keychain, you might be able to buy a small RFID chip and place it in your phone’s case (I haven’t tried this, so I can’t confirm whether all RFID chips work).

If your goal is to avoid having to manage distribution of RFID tags to all your users, then I understand wanting to authorise phones. Unfortunately, this device isn’t suitable for detecting phone presence.

Sean

(Sean Blanchfield) #55

@gromit248 Given your question was 5 months ago, I’m afraid you’ve probably moved on or answered it for yourself. However, for the benefit of any other users who are interested, the answer is that there shouldn’t be any problem having multiple Zipato devices installed with this device handler on your network. From the point of view of everything else on your network, they should all just appear to be independent switches.

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(Daniel Consuegra) #56

Thanks for the thorough reply! Mainly what I want to avoid is having to dig out anything… be it a phone or a tag or anything like that… I mean… try getting the keys out with a handful of bags AND being stuck on a wheelchair! lol!

So if there were anything that would allow me to just swipe my wristwatch and have it activate the doorlock/door motor… that would be awesome…

That being said, I still find this route cool… if only for my friends/family… no keys needed… so I will probably jump into it anyways! :slight_smile:

will keep you posted on what I do…

(Sean Blanchfield) #57

If you’re willing to carry more on your wrist, you could attach a RFID keyfob to a wearable wristband. If you are willing to experiment with plain RFID chips (i.e., what’s inside the keyfob), you could probably attach one onto a decent-looking rubber wristband with some Sugru, and end up with something with a low physical profile that looks pretty good too. RFID tags like this are only 6mm in diameter, so you could potentially attach one onto a ring if you wanted (assuming it’s compatible - I’ve only tested regular keyfobs).

Let us know if you end up doing something interesting! I’m sure lots of other users would be interested to know if tiny RFID chips work equally well as the RFID keyfobs.

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(Daniel Consuegra) #58

My ideal situation would be NOT having to carry anything… heck, I was even investigating the possibility of implanting an RFID chip into my hand!.. lol!

So yeah, Still got some investigating to do… that micro tag looks promising though! will give it a thought…

Thanks!

EDIT: I was thinking of something along the lines of https://cyberise.me/ or https://store.dangerousthings.com/

(Clint Tworek) #59

Thanks for the help, I will try this later tonight and see what it is showing.

Clint

seanblanchfield

    March 26

Hi Batman72,

Smartthings can be tricky to configure correctly. If you’ve managed to program the device, then you must have it basically working. To check that it’s generating the on/off events that it’s supposed to, you can look in the smartthings cloud account, find the device (e.g., Show Location -> List Devices -> pick your zipato device) and then click “list events”. This should show you something like this:

Here you see the “switch” events, with values of “on” or “off”. If that much is working for you, then the device is behaving correctly, and the issue is with how you’ve configured other devices to react to it as a “switch” device. FWIW, I find it’s easiest to start with trying to use it to trigger a bulb or something. Once that’s working, you can expand your rules to do whatever else you want.

I hope that’s some help.

Sean


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    March 18

Hellom I am new here and I installed one system out of 4 I need to replace Iris, I went with the Zipato mini keypad and installed the device handler and I was even able to install the rf keys and name them all , however… When I go and hit away or home and touch rf tag it does nothing with the syste…


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As I’ve mentioned before, I use an iBeacon on my wheelchair so that I can limit the detection area just to the length of the wheelchair ramp and I avoid the “bus stop problem” where the bus stops on my block but the driver takes a few minutes to get me unloaded. Works well for me, and is totally hands-free. :sunglasses:

There’s discussion of multiple options, including that one, in the presence FAQ. Note, however, that all of these work only with the classic app, as the new app does not allow you to automate unlocking the door. :disappointed_relieved:

(Daniel Consuegra) #61

Do I smell iOS here? Then it’s a no go for me… I’m an android guy! :frowning:

Otherwise, it would be a great option!

(Jason Newell) #62

Anyone no if it would be possible to add a function for Arm(Stay) maybe set a code or specific tag to set this mode?

My GF likes to set the alarm of an evening but my away mode turns everything off so hoping there is a way to set and Away(stay) without having to use a phone to do so.

(Sean Blanchfield) #63

Just saw you posted on this thread too. For anyone else interested in this, I tried to propose a solution to this over here: Xfinity centralite 3400 in the UK?