# Wiring help please! **URL:** \ **Category:** Devices & Integrations\ **Created:** [June 3, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818 "2018-06-03T20:23:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CantDecideIT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/cantdecideit/32/43759_2.png) [@CantDecideIT](https://community.smartthings.com/u/CantDecideIT)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/1 "2018-06-03T20:23:15Z")
Can someone please help me understanding how to hook up a GE ZWAVE switch. My wiring is as shown below. Any help is appreciated. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/original/3X/3/c/3caa825c1dbe59f3314771b1d7b0a8760d6ae4b2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ogiewon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/ogiewon/32/13743_2.png) [@ogiewon](https://community.smartthings.com/u/ogiewon)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/2 "2018-06-03T20:42:03Z")
Unfortunately, based on that particular wiring diagram, it appears that you do not have a Neutral in your box. Therefore, you cannot use GE Z-wave switches/dimmers. ---
**Author:** ![marktheknife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7feea3/32.png) [@marktheknife](https://community.smartthings.com/u/marktheknife)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/3 "2018-06-04T01:20:56Z")
You could get an in-wall relay/dimmer like the aeotec micro or nano devices, or a qubino relay/dimmer and connect it in the ceiling at the light fixture. That’s where your line hot and neutral wires are, if your wiring is like that in the image. [http://www.amazon.com/dp/B076BPM21Y/](http://www.amazon.com/dp/B076BPM21Y/) [http://www.amazon.com/Qubino-Z-Wave-Module-ZMNHAD3-Smallest/dp/B01N7ZIEWL](http://www.amazon.com/Qubino-Z-Wave-Module-ZMNHAD3-Smallest/dp/B01N7ZIEWL) Or there are a couple models of GE z-wave switches that don’t require a neutral wire in your switch box, but they’ll only work with incandescent bulbs. And there’s the Lutron caseta line of dimmers and switches, some of which work just fine without neutral wires, even for LED or CFL bulbs. But they require their own bridge device that connects to your LAN, and can be integrated with ST via a cloud-to-cloud integration. So you do have some options, but like @ogiewon said, GE z-wave switches really aren’t a great one in your case. ---
**Author:** ![jhamstead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/jhamstead/32/38969_2.png) [@jhamstead](https://community.smartthings.com/u/jhamstead)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/4 "2018-06-04T02:18:53Z")
There is a new Z-Wave Zooz line that works with existing 3 way dumb switches too. > [@Zooz ZEN22 2.0 z-wave plus dimmer switch- initial review](https://community.smartthings.com/t/zooz-zen22-2-0-z-wave-plus-dimmer-switch-initial-review/98023): > > I picked up this dimmer switch during @TheSmartestHouse Labor Day sale. The main draw to me was the ability for this switch to work in a 3-way configuration without an accessory switch. This means I was able to complete a 3-way setup for a hair over $25! This is less than half of what it would take with a comparable GE z-wave setup. Anyway, here’s my impressions. The device itself comes nicely packaged and includes a neutral wire jumper. This switch does require a neutral wire in the switch box. No other rocker colors are included, but I always found them to be a waste anyway. The rocker itself also comes with a protective film, which is a nice touch so it doesn’t get banged up while installing. Size wise, I’… ---
**Author:** ![CantDecideIT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/cantdecideit/32/43759_2.png) [@CantDecideIT](https://community.smartthings.com/u/CantDecideIT)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 11:05am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/5 "2018-06-04T11:05:41Z")
Thanks everyone for the info. It stinks considering the house is only 1 1/2 years old. I was able to hook up a bunch of these downstairs but it looks like the guy wasn’t consistent with how he wired the lights. ---
**Author:** ![marktheknife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7feea3/32.png) [@marktheknife](https://community.smartthings.com/u/marktheknife)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/6 "2018-06-04T11:51:47Z")
Bummer. Where are you located? I’m not an electrician but not having neutral wires in the switch boxes for a three-way light switch like that seems inconsistent with more recent revisions to the national electrical code (from what I’ve read around here). Although that only applies in the US, and every municipality actually sets its own legal requirements with the NEC as just a guide. ---
**Author:** ![CantDecideIT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/cantdecideit/32/43759_2.png) [@CantDecideIT](https://community.smartthings.com/u/CantDecideIT)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/7 "2018-06-04T13:32:02Z")
Pennsylvania ---
**Author:** ![Automated\_House](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/automated_house/32/99641_2.png) [@Automated\_House](https://community.smartthings.com/u/Automated_House)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/8 "2018-06-04T14:12:25Z")
If your area follows 2014 NEC code, then that wiring diagram isn’t legal. ---
**Author:** ![CantDecideIT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/cantdecideit/32/43759_2.png) [@CantDecideIT](https://community.smartthings.com/u/CantDecideIT)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/9 "2018-06-04T19:31:14Z")
> [@Automated\_House](#): > > 2014 NEC Apparently Pennsylvania only enforces the 2008 NEC codes. Lucky me. ---
**Author:** ![TheSmartestHouse](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/thesmartesthouse/32/39073_2.png) [@TheSmartestHouse](https://community.smartthings.com/u/TheSmartestHouse)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/10 "2018-06-07T19:22:45Z")
Zooz switches wouldn’t work here either since they too require a neutral and direct connection to power in one of the boxes. In this diagram, the power source is by the fixture in the ceiling so the only option is a micro switch by the light or a Fibaro Dimmer / Aeotec Nano Dimmer in the box since they don’t need a neutral. ---
**Author:** ![tons\_of\_guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19b73/32.png) [@tons\_of\_guns](https://community.smartthings.com/u/tons_of_guns)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 4:59am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/wiring-help-please/127818/11 "2018-06-08T04:59:59Z")
I have 4 or 5 of the ge switches mentioned that don’t require a neutral. I’m willing to sell or trade them. I moved and no longer have a need for them. Send a PM if you’re interested