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Using existing recessed door sensors with ADT hub

(Mavrrick) #8

@Ryan780

Do you even have the panel. I have had it for 7 months used it monitored and unmonitored, and created ADT Tools to fill some integration gaps which we are talking about.

#9

Huh? All i said was it wasn’t clear from the page that you could do that. That’s all. Why so hostile?

(Mavrrick) #10

Not hostile. Just asking what experience you have to make that statement 4 times after I have said it was incorrect each time.

(Barry) #11

Why not just arm/disarm with SmartThings presence sensors or via Android presence detection?

(Drew) #12

Because I don’t want to give my smartthings login to every single person that may be at my house. We have 2 teenagers that live with us, a two and a half year old and many family in town that stay at our house to watch him; not to mention a dog. Creating an automation to trigger alarm statuses just on presence sensors via phone is just not practical or feasible. What would be really nice is a simple panel that we can enter a code and give that code to family members to be able to arm the alarm as they come and go. It’s not a huge deal to me, but it is to my wife who is used to a simple home security system that allows you to hit “stay” or “away” and give you a 20-30 second delay to leave the house. It’s something so simple that smarttthings haven’t developed themselves. I’ve also asked them to make user accounts we can manage to give certain permissions too without getting full control of the house. But basically my wife wants a touch panel to set the alarm easily as she pleases and honestly, it shouldn’t be some huge complex problem. Smartthings should have already put out a simple screen to manage smart devices. I am/was hoping this ADT panel would be the solution.

(Drew) #13

Mavvrick, you’re saying that only ADT branded alarm sensors will set of the siren in the ADT panel correct? Is there a way I can pair my sensors and sirens to the ADT panel/hub and use them in automation to set or disarm the alarm via the panel? Did you also say that using my current described setup, there is no way to have an alarm delay?

(Barry) #14

I understand completely. This is one of the reasons I migrated my system to Homeseer. The possibilities on that platform are only limited by your imagination. I was able to tap into my Honeywell Vista hardwired security panel and import all those sensors into Homeseer, which allowed me to cut ties with ADT. My plans are to replace the old physical keypads with virtual keypads using iPads mounted in their place. If I wanted to get fancy, I could use face recognition or iris scan and a regular family member wouldn’t have to touch anything to disarm. I could also pipe security cameras to the iPads, local weather, CNN or whatever.

SmartThings is great at what they do, and it’s what I recommend to people that are going to do basic home automation with lights, doors, locks, leak sensors, etc. But if you get more involved or like to do things outside the box, then your HA software really needs to be locally hosted on a dedicated device and more flexible than SmartThings.

(Mavrrick) #15

@Greenaj

To trigger the ADT Alarm you have to use ADT Sensors. There is no way around that. There is no way you can set off the ADT Alarm from Smartthings. But Smartthings can take some queues from the ADT side of the system. That is what ADT Tools leverages. It looks at the Alarm panel for queues on how to handle certain things on the smartthings side.

Your second question is a little confusing. So I will say this. One of the child apps that is part of ADT tools called ADT Mode Change manages some integration for interacting with alarm state. It uses simulated buttons to trigger each alarm state. Those buttons can then be used in automations to do what you want. They can also be used in Actiontiles if you like. The alarm alert action child apps all provide integration with triggered events to trigger certain activities. Right now you can trigger switch devices to be turned on, or flashed, sirens to be activated, and on some of the apps cameras to record(will get this to all eventually, newest feature)

There are two sets of alarm action apps with ADT tools. The first set use the ADT sensors and depend on the ADT Alarm to trigger before any action takes place. Because they require the ADT Alarm to trigger they will use its entry and exit delay. The second Alarm action. App is what I call the any sensor alert app. Because it is intended to use sensors that can’t trigger the ADT Alarm side it has some limitations. The two big ones in my mind is it is cloud dependent and I have yet to find a good way to do a entry delay. Some sirens do have a method for it. I know the Dome siren does. It does have a exit delay in a way though.

You may want to try out life 360. It would allow you another method to setup presense for those with phones that you dont want to have to log into you smartthings stuff. I use it for my daughter.

You can use presense with ADT Mode change and the buttons you setup for it to automate arming and disarming. I actually do that myself.

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(Mavrrick) #16

Also if there is a function that you feel would help, let me know and I will see if I can get it added.

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(Mavrrick) #17

You probably should take a good look at Actiontiles. Once you setup the virtual button and the child app for managing the alarm states you can integrate them into action tiles. You can then share Actiontiles panels to users so they can have access only to what you want them to. This can be a great alternative virtual keypad device. It can be a little complicated if you are setting up different panels for different people, but it will give you a bunch of control.

You can also use the SHM security panel in Action tiles to know the security state of the panel. Just make sure you set that tile as view only anywhere it is used.

Just make sure you setup security on the disarm button. I have this already setup and it works well.

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(Mavrrick) #18

You have made a comment a few times that you use fortezz sirens to set your home to a armed state. How does that work exactly? I must have missed that before. Is it via some sort of automation? What triggers from the siren to put your home in a armed state?

(Drew) #19

The sirens are just zwave sirens. Right now when my SMH is armed, if those door sensors open, it makes the sirens strobe and go off. I currently have routines to turn the SMH on and off at certain times.

#20

There’s an FAQ that should be of interest:

Everything @Mavrrick58 has said in this thread has been confirmed by other community members who have the panel and are using it. You can speak with more of them in the following thread:

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#21

Yes. All the dual logo devices still work, It’s just that without an active contract it doesn’t call the monitoring center.

The official supportbase FAQ:

What can I do with the ADT Security Hub?
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The ADT Security Hub allows you to monitor and control certain smart devices using voice commands or the SmartThings Classic app on your smartphone or tablet. You can automate connected devices in your home and set them to turn on or off when doors are opened, as people come and go, and much more. (Connected devices sold separately.)
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You can also enroll in optional ADT Professional Monitoring Services to provide emergency contact services to keep your home safe from smoke, fire, extreme temperatures, carbon monoxide, and intrusions.

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(Mavrrick) #22

So then you would just specify the fortezz sirens in the alert apps to use them. Then point your automations to the buttons you would setup for use with the mode change child app.

Because the ADT Tools mode change app exposes the alarm mode changes as buttons the automation functionality grows rapidly.

(Jimmy) #23

Long story short, the ADT hub isn’t going to do what you want with those z-wave sensors

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#24

If you are comfortable with your current set up as far as reliability and all that, and all you want is a pin code panel, have you considered using the iris keypad combined with some of the community code that can add a delay?

Again, it doesn’t run locally and it can’t improve the existing reliability issues of the SmartThings platform (two areas where the ADT model does have some improvements), but it’s a keypad with a delay if that’s really all you need. :sunglasses:

https://www.amazon.com/Iris-Smart-Home-Management-3405-L1/dp/B01GCKAFX8

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(Brian) #25

I have an idea that’s you’ve probably already tried but if it could work it would be priceless to alot of us. Kudos for the ADT Tools app BTW. Did a test run with it tonight.
So on to my idea. It would be pretty awesome if a sensor, any old sensor (Visonic, smartthings etc) could cause a tamper on the Armed ADT panel or a Dual Branded sensor. If this is possible you would have successfully closed the Gap and would have created multi siren output(ADT and legacy) as well as a forced panel disarm. Surely those sensors have to have a way to detect an electronic tamper if they are so much better than Visonic sensors and Bosch Sensors (other than the Zigbee gap) with physical Tamper switches.

(Mavrrick) #26

@2ndtimearoundST

The problem is there really isn’t much that can be sent back to the ADT side of the system. I just updated a personal app i have to test devices and confirmed it. The only commands that are allowed from smartthings back to the ADT panel are the ones that both ADT Tools 2 and Webcore use to Arm and Disarm. The individual Sensors don’t even report a tamper alert to the Smartthings side, but the panel will though. I know the sensors have the ability in the ADT side though as I have recieved notifications when resetting sensors in the past. The issue is more about what Smartthings can see.

But I am still not clear on what you are trying to accomplish. If it is about triggering the internal siren with non Dual branded sensors that is not possible. If this is simply about disarming the panel, that is already being done with the mode change logic. If you want multiple sirens this is already accomplished. You just need to specify what sirens you want to use in the alert action when setting it up for the sensors. The only loss is the internal siren if you are not using Dual Branded sensors. If you are migrating from SHM I would expect you would have several sirens already.

I am not clear on what the gap is. Can you provide a use case for what you are trying to do, or want to happen?

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(Mavrrick) #27

To add to what JDRoberts said. I have a updated version of Lock Manager that allows the keypad to fully control the ADT panel state. You can see the details about it in the ADT Tools 2 thread. I am hoping the changes i made will be published to the master branch for Lock Manager before to long, but until then my fork is available.

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