Tradfri pairing

Has anyone got either of these to work?

E27 opal 1000lmådfri-led-bulb-e27-1000-lumen-wireless-dimmable-warm-white-opal-white-art-60338452/

GU10 400 lumenådfri-led-bulb-gu10-400-lumen-wireless-dimmable-warm-white-art-80365270/

I’ve purchased both and can’t get them to pair. I’ve already got the more expensive versions with colour temperature and got those to pair without a device handler. Both E14 and GU10 with colour temp paired by flicking on and ff 5 times. With the new ones above (dimmable only) I cant get them to pair. Any ideas?

ant luck with the E27 ones?