The End of Groovy Has Arrived

:musical_note:28 days until the end of Groovy
28 days until full migration
Pick a device, and change its drivers
28 days until the end of Groovy :musical_note:

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All 6 of my Schlage locks got transitioned a couple days ago, kept routines and codes. I have Eaton switch that has not been moved yet.



The automated transition has been admittedly slower than I anticipated. There are periods of apparent inactivity, and then - boom -, a swath of devices transition to Edge. Probably seems to occur in binges to me b/c I’ve standardize on specific models for lightbulbs, sensors, locks, etc. Maybe some of you are in that same boat?

I have about 42 devices in all. As of this morning, only 8 devices remain on DTH. Those 8 devices actually represent only 3 unique device types. After months of ongoing anxiety thinking I may need to ditch ST, it’s looking like I’ll ultimately be able to keep ST and hopefully retain full prior functionality.

Here are some positive experiences that I wanted to share:

  • Kwikset 910 smartcode (zwave plus) lock transitioned today with ZERO regressions. I’m considering that a big win, as it’s obviously a key part of my home access/security and a number of other posts have had me worrying.
  • My Sengled RGB A19 bulbs were not only transitioned, but the Edge driver appears to have better functionality than my original DTH did: I’m able to achieve (what appears to be) significantly lower color temperatures and more color ranges. Setting my light to “candlelight,” for example, looked no different than “incandescent” on the DTH drivers…while the Edge driver is able to at least fenagle an 1800-2000K appearance. Not sure if it’s using color/brightness modes to simulate that or what… but I’m really happy with the change.
  • Response time on transitioned devices seems to have improved at least marginally.

My only real remaining worry are the Z-Wave Plus Door/Window Sensors throughout my home. They’re officially Monoprice-brand model 24259, which I’ve realized is just a rebranded Hank HKZW-DWS01. There are at least 2-3 unanswered posts from other owners of these sensors alluding similar concerns I have. Not sure if I’m going to be left with a batch of “THING” devices, but these are pretty critical to a number of automation/alerts and my security setup. So :crossed_fingers:t4:

The other 4 devices are some super cheap G10 RGBW’s. Two “ZLL RGBW Bulb” zigbees (Maker: Gledopto, Model: GL-S-007Z, Raw: 0B C05E 0210 02 07 0000 0003 0004 0005 0006 0008 0300 00) and two “ZigBee RGBW Bulb” (Maker: _TZ3210_rcggc0ys, Model: TS0505B, Raw: 01 0104 010D 01 09 0003 0004 0005 0006 1000 0008 0300 EF00 0000 02 0019 000A). I think @Mariano_Colmenarejo 's beta driver had at least one of these covered… so I’m hoping that ST ultimately bakes those device identifiers into their official driver.

Anywho… just wanted to share my experience, in case it helps balance some of the anxiety any of you might be feeling right now. =) Cheers


HELP!! While not a complete stooge when it comes to this stuff…i am not a developer etc……was using Rboys app….for my Schlage lock and user control…which i have lost when groovy was no longer groovy……anyone have a solution to get back my lock management…very disconcerting……

How can you tell which devices have moved to Edge and off Groovy?

You can use Smart Lock Guest Access to manage your locks/codes if it is available in your region. Just go to the Life section to add it.

A temporary solution: that you can check out.

Rboy had several different smartapps for locks with different features. For example, there was one specifically for people managing multiple Airbnb rentals. Which one were you using?

If a device is using an edge driver, you can go into the SmartThings app, find the device, click on the small gear icon to see its details. If it says “driver“ there, it is using an edge driver.

See the community FAQ on edge for more information:

FAQ: I have no idea what Edge is. Is that a new developer tool? (2022)

Yep, You can’t trust what it says in the IDE as far as “placeholder.” My Thermostats transitioned quite a while ago. They originally said “place holder” in IDE but then went back to saying “Z-wave Thermostat” in the IDE. They are on an Edge driver, verified through the ST app… I only mention this in case some are using the IDE to check if devices have transitioned.


It looks like the Edge Zigbee Motion Sensor driver no longer supports firmware upgrades. I put an Iris v2 motion sensor with older firmware on SmartThings and after a few days, it is still not upgraded. Darn.

It never worked for me, assuming Samsung had a compatible firmware file for my Third Reality sensors.
Ended up upgrading them via Hubitat.

Sorry, I still don’t understand if Hue and Bose (both connected in Lan) will be migrated to Edge.

There is a Bose Edge driver is the ST beta channel.

Yes, I was try it. I went back to the original drive, it’s more stable. I’m waiting to see if it will migrate automatically. also because otherwise I would find two devices, because the one in the LAN continues to appear even if I delete it. also because otherwise I would find two devices, because the one in the LAN continues to appear even if I delete it

Possibly this Edge driver will work on your lock?

That along with the suggested SLGA work together.

Hope that helps.

Has anyone seen any more automatic migration of devices recently?

I’ve had no new migrations since before Christmas. March keeps marching on…

I have a number of Zooz ZEN27 and ZEN26 devices. About 2/3 of them have been auto-migrated, still have 8 to be done. Also have 4 GE/Jasco ZigBee devices not migrated although a couple have been.

Nothing for ~3-4 weeks for me. Out of 31 devices remaining:
ZEN25 (counts for 4 devices)
ZEN20 x2 (5 each)
Various Zooz ZW switch x4
Kwikset Zigbee lock
GE/Jasco Z-wave dimmers x2
Honeywell/Jasco Z-wave fan control
ST Presence Sensor
Z-wave outlet x2 - Monoprice 15654
Z-wave outlet x2 - Dome DMOF1
Z-wave dimming outlet - Centralite
Sylvania button
Xiaomi leak sensor x2

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I could be mistaken, but I believe that centralite only made Zigbee devices. No z-wave. :thinking:

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My guess is they probably are not doing any conversion while there are hub FW updates going on. But yes, still slow going. I am sure they convert a block then assess, rinse, repeat.

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I think they slowed down because of the fiasco when they automagicaly jacked up everyone’s locks.