Strangeness

travisr100 · 2015-03-26 14:39:00 UTC

I don’t hardly know where to begin here. I set up my hub a couple of weeks ago. No problems adding any devices, no problems controlling anything. Last night I added 3 new GE in wall dimmers, a GE fan control, and 3 GE plug in dimmer modules. After installing everything I started including them to the hub. I had one of the in wall dimmers that wouldn’t pair. So I moved on to the plug in modules. Paired first one no problem. None of the others would pair after that. I was able to control the plug in modules and in walls that did pair. I went back to one of the plug in dimmers and the one in wall dimmer that wouldn’t pair and tried pairing them again. I did the standard add device routine and while it was searching for devices I tried both the in wall and the plug in. Wouldn’t find them. Backed out of the add routine and noticed I had a new dimmer that showed up. Because I had been hitting the switch on both the in wall and the plug in I wasn’t sure which one it had found and added. No matter, turning that device on or off wouldn’t work. It showed on and if I tried to turn it off all I got was a “turning off” icon which would eventually revert back to on. I then went and tried to do a general device exclude and toggled both devices trying to figure out when one it was. Nothing. Frustrated, I finally went to bed.

This morning I’ve started playing with everything again. I opened the app on my phone and tried to group the two plug in modules. When I dropped them on top of each other I got a red error message in the app. Don’t recall what it said. When I went to the group it was empty and the lamps were not in the group. Whatever. I looked at one of the lamps which I had dimmed to 25% last night. When I go to the device it shows on but the dimmer at 0%. I try turning it off and I get the “turning off” icon which eventually returns to “on.” I get the same thing when trying to control any of the other dimmers (in wall and plug in) that I installed last night.

I then notice 4 other lights on the front of my house also controlled by GE in wall switches show to be on when they were scheduled to go off an hour prior. I look at the activity in the app and it says they were turned off by schedule yet they are still showing as “on” in my status. I try turning them off and same thing. I get the “turning off” message but they can’t be controlled. I finally bring up the IDE while I’m doing all this and turn the event logging on so I can see what’s going on. I see all my other motion, temp sensors, door contacts, etc. reporting in periodically but I see no events for any of these GE modules I’m trying to control. No reports at all from any of them.

I’m really stumped here. All of these GE modules are the only things I can attempt to control. All the rest of the devices in my network are sensors, Sonos, or Nest thermostats.

Anyone have any clues?

baldeagle072 · 2015-03-26 14:53:05 UTC

Have you tried doing a zwave repair?

travisr100 · 2015-03-26 15:00:31 UTC

No, I have not. I’m very new to all this. I did see that link in the IDE. I just click that and then…?

baldeagle072 · 2015-03-26 15:05:35 UTC

I believe it is also in the mobile app. It will work in the background. While it is doing the repair, things may not seem to be working correctly. I would wait like 15 minutes and then try to include/exclude or use your zwave devices. It is supposed to correct routing tables. This might make it more reliable to add.

Also, another thought I just had. Sometimes people report that they need to have the hub close to the device to add things. If you do that, you will definitely have to do a zwave repair after getting the hub back to its original position.

travisr100 · 2015-03-26 15:11:04 UTC

I’ll try the repair. I can’t imagine why the hub would need to be close to the in wall switches if they act as repeaters. All 4 of them are in the same gang box. 3 added just fine. The 4th wouldn’t add.

people report that they need to have the hub close to the device to add things. If you do that, you will definitely have to do a zwave repair after getting the hub back to its original position.

Not sure what you’re saying. I assume you mean that if I unplug my hub, move it closer to the device, then move it back that would require a repair?

travisr100 · 2015-03-26 15:18:11 UTC

I started the zwave repair. It says “click here to view progress” which takes me to the event viewer for the hub with a filter of “zwNwkRepair” preset. But that event list is blank. Nothing to indicate a repair started, is in progress, or finished.

Dlee · 2015-03-26 15:20:16 UTC

For GE switches you should not need to move the hub. In fact doing so could confuse the mesh network setup.

With GE switches over many months I have had three instances of devices falling off the network during times of platform instability. Most recently last week. The fix is to exclude from z-wave network and run include again. You would then need to delete the dead initial device install that is no longer responding. Don’t do that until you get the new device working.

It’s easiest to do in IDE. As suggested under Hub, Utilities, try multiple Z-wave network repairs, follow progress in Hub events. Takes 16 to 30 minutes for each repair in my experience. For GE switches, that is often not enough. That’s when you would want to run exclude also in Hub tools. You have 15 seconds to click a GE switch button after starting the Exclude process. Wait, and then run the include/setup process again.

Dlee · 2015-03-26 15:21:46 UTC

In a new tab in IDE, open hub page, click on List Events, then “from hub”. Refresh to view progress.

travisr100 · 2015-03-26 15:44:43 UTC

Again, I’m new to this. I tried the exclude last night and I expected some confirmation that the exclude succeeded. But I got nothing. Is it just blind? I exclude the device, push the button on the device, then assume it was excluded?

I did open a new IDE page, open hub page, click on List Events then “from hub.” I click refresh but I never see anything about a repair starting, progressing, or finishing.

travisr100 · 2015-03-26 15:49:29 UTC

I did see all of this from last night however…

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Test [15]: Not responding
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register
ping
hub has disconnected hub has disconnected
ping
Test [15]: Not responding
Err 104: Z-Wave exclude failed
ping
Err 103: Z-Wave include failed
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travisr100 · 2015-03-26 15:51:56 UTC

All I see this morning however are pings. Nothing in there about the repair.

sidjohn1 · 2015-03-27 15:04:40 UTC

you may want to run a few more repairs to be safe, and wait ~30mins between repairs and don’t worry about the logs to much yet. Also your GE devices may be associated to another hub from testing. This seams to be fairly common. Heres a link on how to run an exclude. Hope this helps.

travisr100 · 2015-03-27 16:08:17 UTC

Thanks for the response. I’ll try a few more repairs just to be safe. After running two repairs yesterday yet setting nothing in the logs everything seems to be back to normal. I can control them all now and was able to add the other two devices I couldn’t get to include yesterday. I did try the exclude exactly as you detailed in that other user’s post but it never found the device when I’d push the button so don’t think it was already joined anywhere.