SmartThings Hub Version 2.0

I’m currently a Revolv user with over half of my devices Insteon. So, Insteon support would really be super awesome.

I’m eagerly waiting to see how the v2 hub will turn out as local processing of basic lighting/outlet schedules is very important to me. …I could live without Insteon support, if I had to, but that would mean that I’d keep my Revolv plugging along until it just couldn’t anymore as I slowly find Z-wave replacements for my Insteon gear.

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@Ben I have a question about Bluetooth and geo-fencing. Since the iOS mobile presense is completely unreliable on my wife’s iPhone, Bluetooth is intriguing to me. However, normally with Bluetooth, you can’t pair more than one device at a time. How will this work with multiple phones in the house. Does it pair and temporarily connect and then disconnect? What if both devices come home at the same time?

Too soon (for me) to know. I am sure some of these details will start coming out in the coming weeks though.

Will it support zigbee 3.0 standard coming out?

Buy a Belkin WeMo outlet switch. They work on their own through your WiFi and you can use their WeMo App to switch your ST hub off and back on from anywhere. Just keep it setup separate from ST.

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I don’t think there is/will be any upgrade plan. The old Hub will continue to work for the foreseeable future. I suspect we’re looking at 4-6 months until the hub is common place. ST has hinted it will be 1st quarter (meaning March 31st at the latest), but deadlines often slip.

I suspect the new hub will be in the $100-$200 range, so a $100 investment that is done in 4-6 months kinda sucks… I dunno.

For users with a few lamp modules, I can see how introducing a newer better hub for $100-200 will be disappointing, however for users with $1000+ in modules, switches, sensors, etc $100-200 is somewhat of a “drop in the bucket”.

Considering that the new hub will still require the cloud, but offer offline processing of some actions, I have a hard time believing that Hub 1.0 won’t continue to offer the same or better level of service heading into the near future (1-3 years). However, I’ve had my hub for a little less than a month, and I’m anxious to get Hub 2.0, even if that means my initial $100 hub only lasted me 1-4 months. I enjoy the customization offered with smartapps, however for something as simple as turning on a light switch when motion is detected, I want that functionality to be as near instant as possible, so I want offline processing.

EDIT: My only hope is that SmartThings leverages it’s Samsung connection to make the new hub as flexible/robust as possible. I’m not expecting an Exynos processor with 3GB of RAM, but a “more than adequate” processor with a “generous amount” of RAM would be appreciated, rather than spec’ing out the unit to accommodate only what’s needed now in order to target the lowest procepoint imaginable. I’d rather see Hub (1.0) continue at $99 or lower and Hub Pro (2.0) come out at $199 with dramatically better specs, than see a merely warmed over Hub (2.0) at $99 with the bare minimums to allow for (limited) offline processing (of a tightly limited number of smartapps). Just because you started work on Hub 2.0 prior to the acquisition doesn’t mean you can’t increase some simple specs like memory now that you have Samsung answering your calls.

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So would we be able to use our version 1.0 as a 2nd GeoFense and a signal extender while all the other devices connect to the 2.0 hub?

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I was thinking the same. Will Hub 1 work with Hub 2?

With the Wink and Vera Edge both supporting Zwave Plus, I would be surprised if the Hub 2.0 does not support Zwave Plus.

If the Hub 1.0 would be used as extender, Zwave Plus devices connecting through the Hub 1.0 would fall back to the Zwave (non Zwave Plus) protocol.

I just noticed today a new field when looking at my hub in the IDE under My Hubs - “Hardware Version” with the value “hub v1, US customer”. Maybe an announcement isn’t too far off, as well as perhaps a firmware upgrade. If there’s a beta going on I’d love to participate.

I’ve been using hub v1 since January 2014 with over 100 devices of all sorts, primarily zwave,but some zigbee (GE bulbs mainly). Hub v1 has served me very well, and I really don’t seam to be having all the difficulties others have had. Perhaps it’s because my mesh is large and/or I don’t do Sonos,IP stuff, or other hubs for lights.

I’m looking forward to next-gen zwave and zigbee support, plus local processing and performance, as well as stability. For me, I do plan on moving my devices over to v2, so I sure hope there will be some kind of migration utility/solution. Once the new hub is released I hope ST’s next focus will be on an app refresh

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Can we expect some official news at CES?

FWIW- I’ve mounted mine on the ceiling of an under-stair media closet- seems to work fine that way.

If v2 can guarantee that the whole system works as v1 should have then I’ll totally upgrade. Any more reliability would be amazing. So tired of having a dumb smart house that only listens half the time and does what it feels like doing.

@Ben Does this mean a local API for the hub?

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In terms of making a “Person” richer it would be awesome to see the ability to define presence better. So I know my SO is home if her iPhone is home, but she’s also logged in on her iPad and that stays home a lot of the time. I should be able to say she’s only present if her phone is home without having to resort to hacks of different emails for the different devices.

Party on wayne.

My 2 cents…the new hub should have zwave for both the us and european frequencies…I used to live in the USA and now live in a “European” frequency country that is 220volts…I cannot buy 220v zwave devices that are us frequency and I also do not have access to the variety that is available for the european frequency…There is no european smarthings hub so all the zwave USA devices are now being rendered useless…or till I move back tho the USA…beside even if smarthings had a european hub…USA devices wont work on it…
the only devices that are needed are connected to the loads so wasting devices like motion sensors…proximity…multi sensor is such a waste…

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Couldn’t you create a new “user”, call it iPad, and have her log into that on her tablet? Or do modes only change when all users leave?

Yeah I could have a separate user (and I guess use email aliases?) for every device in our house as a workaround. But it just feels like a hack don’t you think? I mean this is sensor software and the software should model what’s going on in real life. In real life a Person has multiple devices but not all of them leave the house, so I’m just saying it would be nice to be able to say this person’s “presence” is defined by this device (or this set of devices) but not this other set of devices.

There are different modes. There’s a mode when I’m home but she’s not, there’s a mode when she’s home but I’m not, there’s a mode when we’re both home (we like the lighting and temperatures different and have a compromised scheme that we can both live with), and of course there are two of each of those for daytime and nighttime.

Maybe there’s a better way to do this, I’m not sure. It just seems like we shouldn’t need separate accounts/emails for each device, so that was my suggestion for the 2.0 features. :smile:

Thanks!

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I’m about to invest in home automation and SmartThings seems like a very good option …but I live in Europe and as long as SmartThings doesn’t support the European Zwave frequencies I can’t justify forking out my savings on it.

Please support your European friends in Version 2.0 :smile:

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