# "SmartThings Classic" vs "SmartThings (Samsung Connect)" **URL:** \ **Category:** Apps & Clients\ **Created:** [March 5, 2018, 11:42am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827 "2018-03-05T11:42:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![AHMED\_BAKIR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/ahmed_bakir/32/103813_2.png) [@AHMED\_BAKIR](https://community.smartthings.com/u/AHMED_BAKIR)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/891 "2019-09-14T10:25:14Z")
> [@WB70](#): > > your post in the other thread that is similar to this one, goto > **[SmartThings Status](https://status.smartthings.com/)** > > Welcome to SmartThings's home for real-time and historical data on system performance. šŸ’žšŸ’žšŸ– ---
**Author:** ![AHMED\_BAKIR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/ahmed_bakir/32/103813_2.png) [@AHMED\_BAKIR](https://community.smartthings.com/u/AHMED_BAKIR)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2019, 10:26am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/892 "2019-09-14T10:26:37Z")
> **[Get Works With SmartThings Certified | SmartThings](https://www.smartthings.com/works-with-smartthings)** > > Get Works With SmartThings Certified and integrate your products with one of the largest IoT ecosystems. > [@Bluetooth, smartthings and locks](https://community.smartthings.com/t/bluetooth-smartthings-and-locks/137905/10): > > Iā€™m not sure if I understand what that support page is describing. They appear to be showing steps to connect a Bluetooth device to a ST hub? But when was Bluetooth connectivity enabled? ---
**Author:** ![hscox030](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/hscox030/32/16213_2.png) [@hscox030](https://community.smartthings.com/u/hscox030)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 5:07am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/893 "2019-09-22T05:07:56Z")
Iā€™ve started partially using the new app since Iā€™ve noticed some of my previous issues getting resolved. Maybe it is because the new app isnā€™t ready or my account isnā€™t ready but whatever the case I cannot find my Routines in the new app, maybe I just havenā€™t been every where in the app. Can anyone tell me where I can find my routines in the new app? I also read there is a rules engine/interface in the new app but I havenā€™t found that either. Any help would be appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![tgauchat](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/tgauchat/32/49516_2.png) [@tgauchat](https://community.smartthings.com/u/tgauchat)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:39am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/894 "2019-09-22T06:39:57Z")
> [@hscox030](#): > > Can anyone tell me where I can find my routines in the new app? **Classic Routines** do not (yet?) exist in New App. They are _replaced_ with _Scenes_ or _Automations_ (andā€¦ Light Groups) _Scenes_ and/or _Automations_ are somewhat more powerful, but Smart Lighting remains the only local execution engine, and SmartThings Home Monitor (STHM) is completely distinct from Classic SHM, even though it performs a _similar_ functionality. ---
**Author:** ![JDRoberts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/jdroberts/32/56577_2.png) [@JDRoberts](https://community.smartthings.com/u/JDRoberts)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/895 "2019-11-15T17:25:56Z")
> [@New Brands/Devices available on the SmartThings Platform](https://community.smartthings.com/t/new-brands-devices-available-on-the-smartthings-platform/156984/203): > > What do you mean by that it wonā€™t work properly with the classic app? First device Iā€™ve ever seen do that. As for the new app vs. old, the classic app as far more robust automations with it. Until the new app incorporates those I donā€™t see how it is in any way ready to go. Honestly, Iā€™m not even sure why they canā€™t get those automatons on there yet. Which automations specifically? I wasnā€™t a fan of the new V3 app initially, but with the October 2019 updates itā€™s much better. The built in rules engine has many features the V2 classic app doesnā€™t have, such as delays. You can now automate unlocking a smart lock, which you couldnā€™t before. And most of the new cloud to cloud integrations will work only with the V3 app because they are using capabilities from the new platform that the classic app will not support. I believe that applies to Tailwind as well. ---
**Author:** ![JDRoberts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/jdroberts/32/56577_2.png) [@JDRoberts](https://community.smartthings.com/u/JDRoberts)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/896 "2019-11-15T17:27:54Z")
@tpersuit Pretty much everything which was in ā€œroutinesā€œ in the classic app is now in ā€œcustom automationsā€ in the new V3 app. The main thing that is still missing is that you canā€™t make a widget for it. But other than that, all of the things youā€™ve already mentioned can be done with custom automations, including changing modes, with some additional new features like delays. It can be confusing when you are used to the old appā€™s way of doing things, but as of the October updates, I think youā€™ll find that most of the functionality is there. Itā€™s just not called ā€œroutines.ā€œ ---
**Author:** ![JDRoberts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/jdroberts/32/56577_2.png) [@JDRoberts](https://community.smartthings.com/u/JDRoberts)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/897 "2019-11-15T17:37:16Z")
@tperlink > Try making a scene that changes mode to Away Day mode then try and make an automation that will change it to Away Day mode at sunrise, but only if not in Home Day or Home Night mode. Doesnā€™t let you You are correct that you canā€™t do this with a scene in the V3 app. But you can do it with a Daisy chain custom automation. We should first say, though, that there is a really stupid design decision in the new V3 app where if you choose mode as the ā€œifā€ then you cannot have mode as the ā€œthat.ā€ šŸ˜” As your example shows, there are many times when people will want to change your mode based on what the existing mode was. So itā€™s just dumb. Let support know you need that feature. But there is a workaround, which is to have the mode change turn on a virtual switch, and then have the virtual switch coming on run a second automation. Iā€™m not in anyway saying this is a good thing. Iā€™m just saying it is a workaround which works for now. ---
**Author:** ![HA\_fanatic](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/ha_fanatic/32/93722_2.png) [@HA\_fanatic](https://community.smartthings.com/u/HA_fanatic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/898 "2019-11-15T18:42:43Z")
> [@JDRoberts](#): > > Pretty much everything which was in ā€œroutinesā€œ in the classic app is now in ā€œcustom automationsā€ in the new V3 app. The main thing that is still missing is that you canā€™t make a widget for it. The scenes widget has been working just fine in v3 -šŸ™‚ But as you mentioned above the feature that classic routines had for restrictions is not possible with custom automation. Change mode only if location mode is not in. I too ended up using virtual switches to overcome the design limitation in v3. ![20191115_134354](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/original/3X/6/0/60d8365702248cb3cf8ca4093102404ba28e1886.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![jsulliweb](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/jsulliweb/32/12886_2.png) [@jsulliweb](https://community.smartthings.com/u/jsulliweb)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/899 "2019-11-15T19:26:57Z")
> [@JDRoberts](#): > > Let support know you need that feature. Whatā€™s the best way to let support know these days? Thatā€™s my main stopping point. If theyā€™d fix that and allow you to check the mode of a thermostat in an IF, not just the state, Iā€™d be perfectly happy to transition it all over to custom automations. Howā€™s Smart Home Monitor compare on the new app these days? I havenā€™t messed with it because I still have a little bit of SHM tied up in webCoRE, but Iā€™m curious if itā€™s fairly up to par with the Classic App these days? Or does anyone actually use it in the new app? ---
**Author:** ![Automated\_House](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/automated_house/32/99641_2.png) [@Automated\_House](https://community.smartthings.com/u/Automated_House)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/900 "2019-11-15T20:00:48Z")
App reviews seem to be the most direct feedback. Iā€™ve worked around the same device/mode as a condition and action restriction somewhat. I setup the automation first, and add a scene as an action. Then once the automation is saved, I can go update the scene with the mode change. ---
**Author:** ![Guy\_Katz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/guy_katz/32/104355_2.png) [@Guy\_Katz](https://community.smartthings.com/u/Guy_Katz)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/901 "2019-11-17T13:15:49Z")
is it a known issue that when adding things via the classic app and changing the names of the things the new app does not always syncs with the new names and shows the default names instead? thanks ---
**Author:** ![Jani](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/jani/32/95144_2.png) [@Jani](https://community.smartthings.com/u/Jani)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 10:02am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/902 "2019-11-27T10:02:34Z")
Sorry if asked before but Iā€™m looking for some answers. Just installed new application to my android (Iā€™m using classic normally) and it seems to work quite okay, hereā€™s my questions: - If new apps ā€œsmartappsā€ and ā€œconnected devicesā€ includes all the same smartapps that I have in Classics smartapp list does that mean that they are all supported in new app? For example webcore, life360, harmony etc. - @Guy_Katz I noticed same, names are different in classic vs new app (this was not a question) šŸ™‚ - Both apps classic and new are running at same time in my android. If I remove classic application is that the exact moment when things do not work if they are not supported by new app? I mean as long as I am using classic it should not matter if something is not yet supported by new app? - is there anything that user have to change manually from classic to new application or is everything supposed to be integrated? I mean if classic is uninstalled should all for example SmartLighting rules work exactly as they worked with classic app. - which one is controlling for example SmartLighting rules if they are shown in both applications (classic and new)? - it seems like life360 that I mentioned before is not working right. From our 4 phones only one is showing up as a 360 presence sensor and it is not creating anything to log. Is this situation right now? - I found Smartthings Home Monitor from new apps ā€œsmartappsā€. Can I configure and use it same time when it is used by classic app? Do I get two intrusion alerts from classic and new app if someone breaks my window? I would appreciate if someone would like to share some wisdom. ---
**Author:** ![johnconstantelo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/johnconstantelo/32/111869_2.png) [@johnconstantelo](https://community.smartthings.com/u/johnconstantelo)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 10:43am UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/903 "2019-11-27T10:43:52Z")
> [@Jani](#): > > does that mean that they are all supported in new app? That depends on the smartapp you have installed. For me yes, but you have apps I donā€™t have. Hopefully people with those apps can reply. > [@Jani](#): > > I noticed same, names are different in classic vs new app I use to have this problem, but not over the last couple months. ST support may have to help with syncing, but the names will eventually update in the new app. Sometimes it took a forced restart of the new app. > [@Jani](#): > > Both apps classic and new are running at same time in my android. If I remove classic application is that the exact moment when things do not work if they are not supported by new app? I mean as long as I am using classic it should not matter if something is not yet supported by new app? Iā€™m not 100% understanding your question. I was running both apps for a very long time without issue (see reply to your other question below). When I finally uninstalled Classic from my phone, presence was also removed and the new app pushed a message about that. I had to go back into the new app and re-enable phone presence detection. Once I did that, all my phones were available again in the new app and Classic (still running on my tablet). > [@Jani](#): > > is there anything that user have to change manually from classic to new application or is everything supposed to be integrated? I mean if classic is uninstalled should all for example SmartLighting rules work exactly as they worked with classic app. SmartLighting is the same between the two mobile apps, but SHM and STHM is completely different. Make sure you read up on several of those discussions in the Community. Some custom DTHā€™s may need to be tweaked to work properly in the new app. If you are using any custom DTH, check with the developer or Community discussions regarding those. > [@Jani](#): > > which one is controlling for example SmartLighting rules if they are shown in both applications (classic and new)? Control isnā€™t done by any mobile app. The ST cloud and your hub are doing that based upon what kind/types of devices you have. All the mobile apps do is add, delete, modify, etc. any of the rules you have. In other words, you can create an SL rule in one app and change it in another. > [@Jani](#): > > it seems like life360 that I mentioned before is not working right. From our 4 phones only one is showing up as a 360 presence sensor and it is not creating anything to log. Is this situation right now? No experience with that smartapp, sorry! > [@Jani](#): > > I found Smartthings Home Monitor from new apps ā€œsmartappsā€. Can I configure and use it same time when it is used by classic app? Do I get two intrusion alerts from classic and new app if someone breaks my window? Yes you can, but I donā€™t recommend you do unless you like a lot of notifications and intrusion alerts to manage. So yes, you will get 2 intrusion alerts and you must use each app separately to dismiss those alerts. ---
**Author:** ![orangebucket](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/orangebucket/32/81590_2.png) [@orangebucket](https://community.smartthings.com/u/orangebucket)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/904 "2019-11-27T12:35:02Z")
> [@Jani](#): > > is there anything that user have to change manually from classic to new application or is everything supposed to be integrated? I mean if classic is uninstalled should all for example SmartLighting rules work exactly as they worked with classic app. I was recently able to start using the ā€˜newā€™ app. The SmartApps section needs some snagging (for example, webCoRE has ā€˜cancelā€™ on many pages where it has ā€˜saveā€™ on Classic and the flow is different), but generally the only significant thing I could see is that if you use Routines you need to sort out a replacement for yourself, and Custom Automations really arenā€™t a one to one replacement. ---
**Author:** ![Jani](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/jani/32/95144_2.png) [@Jani](https://community.smartthings.com/u/Jani)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/905 "2019-11-27T13:13:29Z")
Thank you @johnconstantelo and @orangebucket. ---
**Author:** ![tleroy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/tleroy/32/112134_2.png) [@tleroy](https://community.smartthings.com/u/tleroy)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/906 "2019-11-27T13:25:49Z")
It seems that Life360 presence is treated like a device in the new app. When creating automations, look at ā€œdevice statusā€ rather than ā€œmember locationā€ to add presence checks. ---
**Author:** ![Jani](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/jani/32/95144_2.png) [@Jani](https://community.smartthings.com/u/Jani)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/907 "2019-11-27T16:13:44Z")
You are right. They all do work now. I did not understand to check those devices like that. One thing that Iā€™m wondering is Smartthings Home Monitorā€¦ what the hellā€¦ šŸ˜ƒ I was able to add Smartthings Home Monitor from SmartApps. When Smartthings Home Monitor is opened thereā€™s Security, Smoke and Leaks. It says: there is no security sensors / there is no smoke sensors / there is no leak sensors. ![oneconnect](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/original/3X/0/d/0d64c944a9c663229dc61edf54c2ef2ef5328dce.jpeg) Then I went and configured it from top right settings: ![oneconnect](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/original/3X/8/a/8a5dfefd3de7b898ca75edc7b5dab71dabd1c047.jpeg) Added sensors like it is supposed to be added: ![oneconnect](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/original/3X/a/6/a686646ff860abbe58ca0ebb6c1f3a268387896a.jpeg) Hit ā€œDoneā€ and went back: ![oneconnect](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/original/3X/8/a/8a5dfefd3de7b898ca75edc7b5dab71dabd1c047.jpeg) And once more and it still says ā€œno sensorsā€ā€¦ ![oneconnect](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/original/3X/0/d/0d64c944a9c663229dc61edf54c2ef2ef5328dce.jpeg) Went back to settings and sensors are configured. Went back to main screen and this is what came up: ![jouuu](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/original/3X/6/5/655666a8bb5b098a749c0bd6f15522e0ae56b6e6.png) Any idea what is this? ---
**Author:** ![MinerJason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/848f3c/32.png) [@MinerJason](https://community.smartthings.com/u/MinerJason)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/908 "2019-11-27T17:31:47Z")
Did you delete your SHM rules in classic first? My understanding is that you can use either SHM in the classic app, or STHM in the new app, but not both at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![johnconstantelo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/johnconstantelo/32/111869_2.png) [@johnconstantelo](https://community.smartthings.com/u/johnconstantelo)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/909 "2019-11-27T17:58:06Z")
You can use both, but the notifications and alerts for intrusion will be annoying and confusing. I was running both for several months. ---
**Author:** ![Jani](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/jani/32/95144_2.png) [@Jani](https://community.smartthings.com/u/Jani)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827/910 "2019-11-27T18:01:38Z")
Support helped me. It just needed removing SHM and installing it again. First installation did not succeed for some reason and left those few things missing. [Previous page](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827.md?page=44) [Next page](https://community.smartthings.com/t/smartthings-classic-vs-smartthings-samsung-connect/120827.md?page=46)