Reliable smart plugs with energy reporting to use with Smart things? UK Based

Apparently these newish Tapo P110M plugs are supported in the energy app.

I’ve only gone and ordered a couple!

Where did you see that? Because those are matter plugs and matter Does not support energy reporting at this time. :thinking:

They might have a separate, smartthings – unique integration, but I haven’t heard of one yet.

Based on the following conversation with a smartthings staff member, it’s a weird situation right now. It’s listed as being compatible with the energy dashboard feature, but it doesn’t actually report any data there. And the energy data is not available for use in SmartThings routines.

So it looks like the energy monitoring data only appears in its own Tapo app right now. Let us know if you see anything different, a lot of this stuff is in flux.

P110 is the old model, P110M is the new one.
I’ll post when I get them working.

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Interesting! Let us know if you can also use the energy information in routines. :sunglasses:

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Will do! :grin::+1::wave:

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Just wanted to clarify for the OP that “energy reporting” can mean three different things in a smartthings context, and any one device might do one of these, but not the others, or any combination of them. It’s not always clear just by reading a product description what will be available to you after it is on your smartthings account. So research can be a little tricky unless you find someone in the community who actually has the device and is using it.

1) ENERGY REPORTING IN ITS OWN APP

Usually the screenshots you will see in a product description are from the device’s own app, and will show you energy reporting history that you can find in that app. Having that data doesn’t mean you can do anything with it automatically, though. And sometimes it’s just a cumulative report updated every few hours or even once a day. So the data is useful to an individual customer, but not necessarily usable in smartthings. :thinking:

2) OFFICIAL ENERGY REPORTING FEATURE IN THE SMARTTHINGS APP

This is an official feature called “ENERGY” under the “LIFE” section of the app that does a lot less than you will expect from the initial description.

It helps to remember that this was originally created to manage Samsung smart appliances in multifamily buildings. The main idea is that when the unit is unoccupied, power draw can be reduced.

So far, there are only a few devices that will work with this feature. Even the smartthings branded smart plug does not at the time of this writing. But your 2022 and newer big Samsung smart appliances probably will, and a few other devices.

Mostly it was designed for the following

This includes but is not limited to 1) providing reliable occupancy detection linked to savings strategies that shut off or power down equipment when no one is home, 2) limiting standby power of connected devices, and 3) providing feedback to users about the energy impact of their settings.

The feedback is in the form of reports that you can review manually.

There are a few built-in automations, like closing the blinds when the air conditioner is turned on, but again, they will only work with a few specific models.

So it’s interesting data, and you may make various personal decisions based on it, but other than putting your appliances into eco-mode when you leave the house, there’s not that much actionable in it.

And remember, some devices might appear in this section, but not have energy reporting that you can use in a smartthings routine that you create in other parts of the same app.

3. ENERGY DATA THAT YOU CAN USE IN SMARTTHINGS ROUTINES

The feature that most people here are looking for: the ability to trigger home automation actions based on energy draw levels. For example, knowing that the television is on because it’s drawing power above a certain threshold from a smart plug.

Note that this requires that the device be reporting energy use quite frequently or it won’t be meaningful for an automation. But many of these devices are designed to only report every few hours or even once a day. And so “energy monitoring“ doesn’t always mean “useful in a routine.“

Yes, there are some devices that will give you this in the smartthings app. But at the time of this writing most will not appear in the “smartthings energy“ section of the app.

SO HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT ANY ONE DEVICE CAN DO IN TERMS OF SMARTTHINGS?

it just takes research, and usually finding someone online who already has the device set up in smartthings. Obviously this forum is a good place to ask. Sometimes you’ll see the information written in Amazon reviews or Best Buy reviews. Reddit posts may have the details. Sometimes you’ll see screenshots of the SmartThings app on the manufacturer’s website that make it obvious. But otherwise, just because a device is “energy reporting,“ it doesn’t necessarily mean it will do all three of the above. So if you are asking questions, it also helps to be specific about what you’re looking for. :sunglasses:

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Thanks for the informative post.

I had delivery of the TP Link Kasa P110M earlier today.

Added into Kasa app where it shows energy usage.

Added to ST and no energy details are listed agsinst the device (as expected and as mentioned earlier on tbis post).

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Are you sure that’s a Kasa plug? I thought P110 was from a different TP Link brand, Tapo.

Same parent company, but different model lines.

Kasa model numbers typically start with a K.

Tapo model numbers typically start with a P.

First rule of home automation: “the model number matters.“ :wink:

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The Lidl (budget supermarket) silvercrest branded zigbee plugs support power monitoring and the power information can be used in routines. They also have a physical button which is nice.
I bought a couple about a month ago. Lidls approach to selling zigbee stuff is that it appears once or twice a year, it’s there for a week and then gone again which makes them tricky to acquire. I may get more if these prove reliable if and when they appear on sale again.

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:rofl:. Apologies, your right

It is the KP115

The Tapo P110M ia due del8very today so will report back on that.

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Thanks. Will keep and eye out.

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I’ve got the Tapo P110M and can confirm no energy reporting in any of the scenarios previously listed. A bit disappointing I just assumed because it was advertised as cross compatible inline with matter it would work but hopeful for an update.

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Ive been asking ST team about this for a while. Currently its only my fridge freezer that showing in the energy app.
Ive linked my smart meter and that has only ever shown 000kwh regardless of settings.
I have tons of plugs and sockets that support energy reporting but not one shows in the app. I have 12 Lidl plugs, they dont show anything at all!!!

Smartthings keeps say big changes are coming with their energy app but i dont know when that will be

Hopefully soon, but if anyone can figure this out or let me know what im doing wrong id appreciate it

You’re not doing anything wrong. As discussed in a number of forum threads, including this one, at the time of this writing, only a few very specific models are included in the energy dashboard.

It looks like smartthings is going to do some partnership deals with at least Tapo and aqara to bring in some more. But again, no details yet.

The energy dashboard was originally designed for a completely different app, which was aimed at commercial building managers of multi unit buildings to monitor Samsung appliances. Now they’ve brought it into the smartthings app and they’re slowly expanding it out. But it’s a long way from finished yet.

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Good to know. I can imagine that Aqara will become a much bigger force in the next 12 months or so.

I do have several official smartthings plugs, they also dont report anything which I thought they were supported so should do

My findings of the Tapo P110M (UK).

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Mine shows 0 kWh in the mobile apps as a device but it works fine in the Energy app. The companion Gas Meter more sensibly just presents the connection status. There are many more attributes in each that aren’t presented.

Do they support the powerConsumptionReport capability though? That seems more likely to be the key capability as it is for periodic reporting.

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Any luck? I ordered a couple myself… they come tomorrow. I’ve read a promising review saying it works BUT only if you put it in the Tapo app first then sync it over to SmartThings… not to disappointing if that data shows up in the energy app :stuck_out_tongue:

Answered here

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Hi all, new to the forum :slight_smile:

I have experimented with a couple of plugs so far. I decided against the meross plugs because I don’t want devices cluttering up my WiFi network - would rather have Thread / Zigbee / ZWave wherever possible.

I have had success with the Eve Smart plug - Matter version (albeit expensive at £40, however I bought a second plug for £30 during Amazon black Friday). The Eve plug provides a continuous feed of energy reads (KW as well as KWh - and also visible in the history tab). It also shows up in the Energy Service / dashboard or whatever Samsung calls it. As far as I’m aware, the connection is via Thread.

Ironically, the official Smartthings plug, whilst providing some kind of energy monitoring, is not very sophisticated (at least in my limited experience). It shows KW and KWh but it doesn’t seem to refresh reliably. And you don’t seem to be able to force a refresh by pulling/scrolling down like you can on the Eve plug. But worse still - the Smartthings plug doesn’t show up in the Energy Dashboard! Which was one of the main reasons I decided to buy it! It tends to retail for £30 so slightly cheaper than the Eve. It’s also smaller so good for tight spaces. The Smartthings plug connects via Zigbee.

My advice is go for the Eve if you can afford it, build quality and functionality seems to be the best out there.

Hope this helps!

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