Lutron Integration @ CES?

The Pico’s only work with the Pro hub because that hub has a seperate Telnet interface meant for integration which logs the button presses. The standard hub does not sadly. I actually started with the standard hub and then moved to a Pro for this reason. If you but the pack with the pro hub and switch from amazon the hub ends up being essentially $60 I think. I also tried starting with smartbulbs and that ended in disaster very quickly. People like switches and will push them and when the lights don’t turn on I get yelled at. :smile:

@Shife While I agree with your general sentiment that the Caseta’s lack the feel that most are used to in the dark, I am with @JohnMcD that the actual usability of the other switches (I have used both Leviton and GE) are not as good. The can be confusing to know how to get to various dim levels, presets, etc, and they do a terrible job of dimming LED’s in my opinion. I also find I use Alexa or motion to control them and very rarely every have to touch a switch in the dark anyway. That has been my experience, obviously everyone is different which is why having options is great.

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Wow thanks for that description. I honestly did not know there was a nicer switch with the Pico layout. Now I want them!

I do think that for what you are trying to do, the official integration will work. It should add all your caseta stuff just like any other switch and from there you can do whatever you want using smart lighting or CoRE etc. The only question will be speed, but I would bet it will be mostly in the 1-2s range. I don’t think Lutron would have agreed to do this if it was going to be a bad experience. For comparison, the Wink/Lutron integration apparently is quite quick

This isn’t exactly the same as how Wink is doing it but I would imagine similar results.

Wink has its own Lutron radio, it’s not cloud to cloud. So it should be quicker.

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Yep I know and totally agree. I just think that Lutron is going to want performance to be similar. If the experience is lousy people will blame ST of course but they will blame Lutron as well which would hurt them in the long run.

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Love the conversation thread. While we’re on this charge for Lutron switch domination, has anyone found a good source for black colored Pico remotes. I have a need to get 5-10 picos in black but I cannot find them anywhere. Prices for black seem to be jacked up x3 too.

Any suggestions? Cheers.

FYI - Lutron Picos in white are $11.99 on Amazon today. Also, Amazon has a promotion for $8.62 off a $50 purchase promotion today with promo code BIGTHANKS.

So, you could pick up 5 white Picos for just over $51 (before tax).

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Home Depot carries the black and almond Caseta devices, including Picos, on their website.

If you’re going to buy 10 of them, print the page, go into your local Home Depot to the contractors desk, and ask if they can special order them for you at a volume discount.

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Thanks for rubbing it in :slight_smile: I have a bunch of white. Really need black for this particular project. Seems that black is a real premium for the Caseta versions. $38+ for the same flavor as white <$15. Adds up when you need to buy 8.

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Thanks JD will try that. I guess they don’t sell many in volume so prices are much higher for a different color than white.

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I think it’s also just a demand issue. People who want the black devices generally care more about aesthetics and they will pay more. Happens with a lot of electronics devices, there’s a mark up on the black ones. Even minimotes.

You could always use this :wink:

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Believe me, I’ve considered this. Settled on dark sunglasses for the family at all times. Now if only Google glass had an app…

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Keep in mind the Leviton DZC switches/dimmers have recently been completely redesigned. They are bog simple for any guest to operate. I’m not saying the Lutron isn’t nice stuff. I own and use Caseta devices. I’m saying that the new DZC devices are no different to operate than any common paddle switch.

There isn’t really much of a price difference, so use whichever you prefer (once ST integrates with Lutron, that is). You’ll pay slightly more to implement the Leviton in a 3-way setup, as the matching remote switch is well over $20. A Caseta dimmer with pico remote plus a wall mount bracket for the pico is about $5 less total if you’re looking to retain 3-way functionality on an existing setup.

As I add more, I’ll likely use the new Leviton devices. I simply prefer the ergonomics of them. My entire kitchen is using Caseta dimmers as well as a wall mounted Lutron Connected Bulb remote to control Lightify under cabinet strips, so it’s not like I’m some kind of Lutron hater.

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Can you provide a link to the redesigned Leviton switches to which you’re referring? I’d love to check them out and it’s not obvious to me which ones they are from the Leviton site. Thanks!

The new models start with (x)51 in the prefix of the model number. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-Decora-Smart-with-Z-Wave-Technology-600-Watt-Dimmer-White-Light-Almond-R51-DZ6HD-1RZ/300261826

Leviton shows the new product in their online store, but not on their product web pages last I checked. The old Decora Z-wave dimmers had the dimmer horizontally mounted in the top of the paddle. The new dimmers have the dimmer mounted vertically alongside the paddle and the switches operate in an up/down fashion just like a regular paddle, though they return to center after being depressed. The new models are Z-wave Plus.

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Leviton does appear to have a product page for these now and they are calling them “Decora Smart with Z-wave”

http://www.leviton.com/en/products/lighting-controls/dimmers/decora-smart-with-zwave

Again, I don’t think one is better than the other in the discussion of Lutron vs Leviton, and I have both. Both work very well and I’ve had zero issues with either.

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Thanks for making this Leviton option clear. I had not considered it. The form factor does look much improved.

Can you share if my assumptions about the dimmer memory are correct?

EDITTED: Dimming controls are available in the same interface from the remote / 3-way locations, like the DD00R-DLZ.

The main dimmer setting is remembered, such that the main or remote “on” switches return the circuit to the prior dimming level. There is not special functionality from pushing and holding, or double tapping. There is no way to force the circuit quickly to all the way on-- just holding the dimmer bar to “up”.

Is that correct? This may be my top choice if the Lutron<->SmartThings integration is done poorly by one side or the other.

FINALLY!!!

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I’m trying to figure out how to add it now. Don’t see Lutron on the ‘works with smartthings’ site or in the app yet.

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I won’t get a chance until late this evening. Let us know on your progress.

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