Inovelli Out Of Stock?

I’m just being a pain. I do wish we could preorder though. I ended up buying 8 of another brand and I’m not as happy with them

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I happen to check on Inovelli stuff today and noticed the following info where you can monitor the progress towards their new product launch. (Click on Production Status at the bottom)
https://inovelli.com/shop/smart-light-switches/pre-order-z-wave-dimmer-switch-no-neutral-required-scenes-notifications/#tab-production-status

Sounds like things are delayed and launch is not until May (although I have my doubts since they just now completed 3D prototypes; I’m guessing a delay beyond May). I do give them big credit for posting updates though. Not many companies are that transparent. The new switch looks pretty cool too.

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I know @Eric_Inovelli mentioned something about fan controllers that I’m waiting to hear more on…

Hey @Spartysh32 sorry for the delay – was on a 10th Anniversary cruise and had the, “no cell phones allowed” rule (happy wife, happy life after-all)… I’ll know more tomorrow on when they’ll actually be released. We kicked off the project with the manufacturer in April, but I’ve been out of pocket ever since, so I’m waiting to hear back from them on when they realistically think they can launch them.

We’ll be launching two versions:

  • Fan only
  • Fan + Light

Happy to answer any questions you have in regards to hardware/firmware!

Eric

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I hope you had fun on your cruise. Even when life is super hectic, it’s important to spend quality time with family.

For the Fan + Light product that you are starting development on, is it going to be the type of thing that can be paired with ceiling fans/lights that have the wireless controllers that you can pair with the 4 tabs that are set to pair the switch/remote and the fan? If so, that would be amazing. That is a huge hole in the home automation switch market as far as I can tell. I have a bunch of ceiling fans with lights in my house and the only product I’ve seen is a fan speed control switch, which completely neglects the light. A product that actually allows you to automate those type of fans would be a spectacular addition.

Also, are you guys still on pace to release the new dimmer switches near the end of June?

I don’t want to take this thread off topic, but there is an existing zigbee option which works with smartthings and will control both lights and fan speed in a single gang controller format. :sunglasses:

See the community FAQ on Fan Control options. It mentions echo in the thread title, but it covers all the options. The thread title is a clickable link:

FAQ: 2018 Ceiling Fan and Dimmer light wall mount control compatible with SmartThings and Alexa?

Hopefully we’ll be able to add the inovelli fan controls to that FAQ soon, but we don’t include pre-release devices.

Thanks for the info. It would be great if someone would put out a non-proprietary z-wave switch that could be used with any of the hubs out there. Basically just take any of the dozens of versions of wireless ceiling fan speed and light dimming wall switch controllers and add z-wave capability to it. It seems like something that could be done and would be a lot easier than having to partially dismount a ceiling fan and rewire it to a new fan controller receiver. For wireless fans that are already controlled with those 4 tab wall switches or remote controls, it would be way easier to have a z-wave compatible switch with the 4 tabs that could be set to match the frequency of the existing receiver in the fan that would just be wired into the wall just like all of the other z-wave switches/dimmers on the market.

Zwave devices operate on a specific frequency, 908.4 in the US. That radio cannot communicate with, for example, a 433 MHz radio. (Among other things, frequency is determined by antenna length.)

https://products.z-wavealliance.org/

So it’s just not possible to have a universal radio switch such as you describe.

There are other non-Z wave devices that attempt to approximate this for at least the most popular frequencies. They are discussed in the FAQ linked to above. Each manufacturer makes the decision about what to include based on the cost of building the device versus the cost that consumers are willing to pay for it.

Thanks. Sounds like a device with the capability I’m describing would require two separate radios, one to accept z-wave commands and one to output radio commands to the ceiling fan receiver, which may be impractical due to hardware size/cost to combine everything.

In my head it all seems so simple!

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I had placed a preorder and an email went out last week with the following update:

Good morning everyone,

Thanks so much for your pre-order and for your patience while we continue to work on the new switches. We’re super excited and look forward to releasing them!

As per my last email, I’ll be continuing to update everyone weekly on the status until we launch the switches. So, here we go!

Manual, Box, and new Logo
As the marketing guy, I love this stuff and enjoy working on the design behind Inovelli. From the colors to the way we present ourselves, I want it to really represent who we are, what we stand for and what we believe in.

Manual
I won’t break the manual down too far, but it’s very similar to our v1 switch manual, except we added a couple extra pages that go over a few more wiring options, and then an entire page dedicated to configuring the switch.

Logo
The logo won’t change too much from a font perspective, we just modernized it a bit and dropped a few elements. We removed the Wireless symbol as we felt it was confusing to people given that some thought it was a WiFi symbol whereas we’re primarily a Z-Wave brand (for now). We also dropped the Michigan part (of the logo, we’re not getting rid of it in general) as we plan to expand overseas and the logo may not resonate with foreign markets. We will be creating a new, “Born in Michigan” logo to stick to our roots though as Michigan is very important to us.

Box
The boxes turned out amazing. Much more stable than the prior boxes (reduce damage during shipping) and they actually have meaning behind them, which I’ll break down a bit further below. In the footer, I’ll provide the die-lines for you so you can see.

Inside this box, you’ll also find everyone’s signature who worked on this project. It’s our way of saying that we’ve all put our late nights and early mornings into this and are proud to launch this. In the future, we’ll be opening this up to all of you to submit any ideas to us to improve our products (firmware and hardware) and we’d love to have your signature in the box as well. We want to feel like we’ve built this together with you as we believe we’re in this together!

Red Series
This, we’re super excited about. We originally were going to label our switches, Basic and Advanced to distinguish between the two, but that was very boring and non-inspiring. So, we came up with Red Series, which, will be the new name of our advanced switches.

We chose, “Red Series” because of a few different reasons:

  • It’s simple to remember
  • Red signifies boldness, energy, passion, determination and represents a lifeline (or human connection) which I think definitely represents who we are (we’re bold in that we’re standing up for every day smart home users and creating products that the big dogs won’t, we have an energy, passion and determination to create the best products, and we have a lifeline to our fellow smart home owners in that we’re all in this together)
  • Series = idk we liked it better than “Line” – kidding, it is a play on electrical (Series vs Parallel wiring)

Product Timeline
I just spoke to the manufacturer and they are still confident in the timeline as of this morning, so all should be good there. We have a conference call with them tonight, so I’ll have more of an update if anything urgent happens.

As always, have an amazing day!

Eric
Founder | Inovelli

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Will you be able to turn the blue light off on the switch while the fan is on?

Hey @Kyle1977 - I can definitely take this to the engineers and see what they think. Because we will have two separate radios (Z-Wave at the switch and then RF to the module).

I’m just not sure if the RF for the existing PIN modules you’re talking about (I have them in my house too) are proprietary to that brand. My guess is yes, but who knows.

Definitely an awesome idea - the simpler the install the better!

Yes definitely :slight_smile:

You’ll have a few different options and our new switches will have this too:

  1. Disable LED completely
  2. Disable LED completely except for notifications
  3. LED is on when fan is on
  4. LED is on when fan is off (default)
  5. LED is always off (or dimmed to your preference 1-100%) until you turn the switch on and it will notify you of the dim level and then after it will go back off (or dimmed to your preference 1-100%)

Note: the LED bar can also be changed to any color and can be dimmed to any brightness level)

I think that covers the options - the LED was a hot topic last year with our Gen 1 switches (some people like the brightness, others hated it) so we tried to cover every single scenario!

Eric

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Estimated drop date? New fan coming this week, interested in this product!

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Would this work with a light + bathroom exhaust fan or is it only for ceiling fans? I’m looking to replace this switch in my bathroom - the top controls the vanity lights and the bottom controls an exhaust fan (with a built-in light):

That’s a great question – likely not until Q4 now as this has turned out to be a little more complex than the engineers thought. I’m being told October now from the manufacturer, but we will continue to push them for a September launch as that’s what I originally wanted.

They were supposed to get me an updated timeline last week during our weekly call, but they didn’t, so I asked again last night. More to come!

Eric

Great question – I don’t believe so as the ceiling fan has various levels of power that needs to be sent to it whereas the exhaust fan has just one setting.

I’m definitely looking at adding this type of product to our repertoire as it seems fairly common to have this setup in the bathroom, but I haven’t kicked anything off officially yet. I’m still trying to do some market research on this one.

Thanks for the question and for throwing the idea out there!

Eric

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You may be right that there are proprietary aspects to some of the wall controls and receivers that could impact some functions, but there are definitely a lot of universal wall controls with the 4 dip switches on the market (and some come with their own receiver),
but I have 8 ceiling fans in my house and on my back patio that are a combination of Minka Aire, Harbor Breeze, and Casa Vieja models. As I added more fans and updated some pull-chain fans to wireless remote/wall control operated units, I initially didn’t
keep track of how the various dip switches were set on each unit and would accidentally have controls in one room operating multiple fans throughout the house because the dip switches happened to be set on the same pattern. It didn’t seem to matter what
brand anything was, just that the dip switch settings matched. I definitely had controllers from one brand operating fans from a different brand. Eventually, I went through and gave each fan and corresponding controller their own dip switch combination and
wrote them all down, so now everything works independently without any interference.

Granted, there are certainly fans that have more/different options than others (# of fan speeds/auto blade reverse, etc.), but a huge amount of fans and universal remotes/wall controls on the market are basically configured like this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Litex-WCI-100-Command-Universal-Ceiling/dp/B003ZUXSYC/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=universal+ceiling+fan+wall+control&qid=1559593705&s=amazon-devices&sr=8-2

My thinking was that if you essentially took a product like this, but gave it z-wave capability to accept commands and transmit to the hub the state of the device in the event someone uses the wall control, you’d be able to just set the dip switches to match
your existing fan’s receiver and it would be no more difficult than installing any of the light switches/dimmers already on the market by GE/Honeywell/Jasco, Inovelli, Zooz, Nutone, etc. Maybe the solution is sell a switch with the receiver kind of like this
sample universal fan control that I linked to, then if people need it because the wall control doesn’t properly communicate with their existing fan receiver, they can still use the z-wave wall control, but people who have some luck with the wall control properly
communicating with their existing fan receiver don’t have to go to the trouble of partially uninstalling their ceiling fan and rewiring in a new receiver. From a consumer perspective, probably the best case scenario would be if a company like Inovelli sold
a wall control without a receiver for a little less money and a bundled wall control/receiver for a little more (or just sell them separately). That way people who don’t need the receiver aren’t wasting money on it, but people whose existing receivers won’t
work with the wall control have the option to buy a bundle with the wall control and the receiver. Their install would be a little more difficult than the people who just need to swap out the wall control, but at least they’d have the ability to make virtually
any fan z-wave compatible.

But I’m just a home automation consumer/geek with very little technical understanding of how they work. I’m good at installing them, programming scenes, getting various products like Vera, Alexa, Bond, etc., to talk to each other, etc., but I’ll be damned if
I understand the technical side of how all of it works, so it’s certainly possible that there are all sorts of technical issues that would screw up the concept.

Litex
WCI-100 Wall Command Universal Ceiling Fan Control, Three Speeds and Full Range Dimmer - In Wall Fan Remote - Amazon.com

Litex Industries - Litex WCI-100 Wall Command Universal Ceiling Fan Control, Three Speeds and Full Range Dimmer -When installing a Litex or any other fan and you need a wall control unit that is easy to install.

I just looked on your website, and saw the new switches (or at least one of them) are due at the end of this month. I was curious about the LED. When you say “notifications”, what does that entail? For example, could I program Smartthings/Webcore to send any kind of color/brightness command to the switch for any reason, like a smart bulb? If so, that would be really cool!

Yeah fantastic question! The notifications are super cool and I’m happy to explain better. Maybe @erocm1231 can explain better too in case I miss something as Webcore is above my paygrade lol.

The notifications are a way that you can visually see what’s going on in your house. For example, what you can do is set up a notification to notify you when a window is open (ie: LED bar flashes red when window is open past 10pm) or if your alarm system is armed (ie: LED lights up green to signify your alarm system is armed). Really, the sky is the limit in terms of what you can do.

I haven’t confirmed this (maybe Eric M. can) but possibly you could tie into IFTTT or something that has the LED light up a certain color based on the weather or whether your favorite sports team scores a touchdown or goal or something.

Hope this helps?

Eric