# How to use geofence without giving full access to ST account **URL:** \ **Category:** Devices & Integrations\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 12:56pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/how-to-use-geofence-without-giving-full-access-to-st-account/75879 "2017-01-29T12:56:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 4
**Author:** ![JDRoberts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/smartthings/user_avatar/community.smartthings.com/jdroberts/32/56577_2.png) [@JDRoberts](https://community.smartthings.com/u/JDRoberts)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://community.smartthings.com/t/how-to-use-geofence-without-giving-full-access-to-st-account/75879/4 "2017-01-29T15:35:04Z")
Life360 or IFTTT presence both work for most smartphones. or Tasker if it’s an Android phone. Or custom WiFi presence, but that one is more work to set up. See: > [@FAQ: The Many Ways of Detecting Presence (2020)](https://community.smartthings.com/t/faq-the-many-ways-of-detecting-presence/51563): > > Presence, regardless of the device you use, is one of those features that works great for some people, not at all for other people, and is randomly flaky for still others. It’s very much affected by local conditions. So some people will find that phone presence works much better than the SmartThings-branded presence sensor. Other people will find the reverse. Still other people, myself included, find that they have to use a combination of two devices in order to get reliable presence indication. So if this feature tends to work differently for different people, where do you start? 1. Using a Smart Phone as a Presence Indicator Well, since most people who have SmartThings have a smart phone, it’s worth starting there. This method has changed significantly in the change fro… --- _[View the full topic](https://community.smartthings.com/t/how-to-use-geofence-without-giving-full-access-to-st-account/75879)._